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ETHICSPart I
  • June 5, 2003
  • Moritz Haager PGY-2
  • Dr. Carol Holmen

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Ethics vs.. Law
  • ..ethics and law are not equivalent. Adherence
    to the law does not result in ethical behaviour,
    and ethical behaviour may not be covered by the
    law or may in fact be contrary to law or
    policy.ethical duties typically exceed legal
    duties, and in some cases, the law mandates
    unethical conduct
  • Derse. Emerg Med Clin North Am. 1999 17(2)
    307-25

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Ethics vs. Law
  • Law
  • A formal expression of a social ethical consensus
    that sets a minimal standard of conduct
  • Does not cover large areas of conduct
  • Ethics
  • Branch of philosophy dealing with human conduct
    which acts as a moral repository of societal
    norms
  • Less formal but more pervasive than law

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What is unique about ED ethics?
  • Most literature and discussion focused on
    non-acute setting
  • Pts present w/ rapid change in health
  • Little continuity of care / familiarity w/ pt
  • Lack of reliable information
  • Need to make rapid potential life or death
    decisions w/ limited information
  • Pts often not in ED of their own volition
  • Pts often impaired, noncompliant, or hostile

5
What is an Ethical Dilemma?
  • Deciding which of 2 or more choices provides the
    greater overall good
  • Autonomy vs. justice
  • Confidentiality vs. public duty
  • Beneficience vs. non-maleficience
  • etc

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Ethical Models
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Fundamental Ethical Principles
  • 1. Preservation of Life
  • Beneficience
  • Non-maleficience
  • 2. Respect Autonomy
  • 3. Justice
  • 4. Truthfulness

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Preservation of Life
  • Beneficience
  • Acting in the pts benefit ( doing good)
  • Alleviation of suffering
  • Nonmaleficience
  • Primum non nocere (first do no harm)

9
Autonomy
  • From Greek for self-rule Patient right to
    self-determination
  • Respecting vs.. creating autonomy
  • Respecting following pts wishes
  • Creating allowing pt to make a choice e.g.
    informed consent
  • Autonomy vs. paternalism
  • Benign paternalism
  • Making therapeutic decisions for incompetent pts
    in good faith

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Justice
  • Complex concept E.g. resource allocation
  • 3 major types
  • Egalitarian
  • equal access for all
  • Libertarian
  • social or economic ability should be allowed to
    determine access
  • Utilitarian
  • combines features of above to maximize public
    utility (Canadian System)

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Case 1
  • A 83 you Punjabi male is brought to the ED for
    constipation. He looks cachexic and dehydrated
    but is oriented and able to communicate.
  • Physical exam reveals an enormous hard irregular
    mass in the abdomen which is almost certainly
    cancerous.

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Case 1
  • You call the radiologist to arrange an abdominal
    CT. You dont realize the son is standing behind
    you as you relate your suspicion about the
    cancer.
  • After you hang up the son approaches you and asks
    you not to tell his father the Dx because he is
    very afraid of death and would not want to know.
    In India the word Cancer is like a death sentence
    he tells you. He feels that telling him would
    destroy his fathers quality of life.

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Truthfulness
  • Trust b/w pt and physician
  • Is truth always best? Straightforward?
  • Cultural differences
  • Impact of disease
  • Gradual vs.. immediate disclosure
  • Therapeutic privilege
  • Concept that a physician may withhold information
    if doing so would result in harm to the pt
    (non-maleficience)
  • Becoming a historical concept
  • Withholding information, at least temporarily,
    may be justified, BUT only if there are
    compelling defensible reasons

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McMaster Decision Model
  • List the alternative courses of action
  • Assess each alternative in 3 spheres
  • Medical
  • Patient
  • Legal
  • Apply relevant ethical principles to each
  • Justify each choice as a moral statement
  • Formulate a conclusion

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Iserson Model
  1. Have you already dealt w/ a similar problem? Do
    you have a rule for it?
  2. Is there a safe time-buying option?
  3. If immediate decisions needed
  4. Impartiality test would you want this done to
    you?
  5. Universality test would you want this done in
    all similar situations?
  6. Interpersonal Justifiability test can you
    strongly justify your actions to others?

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Case 2
  • You are taking care of a 25 yo female suffering
    from acute traumatic C1 on 2 dislocation with
    complete cord transection. She is
    ventilator-dependant and a complete quadriplegic
    with no chance of recovery. She is alert enough
    to answer questions through eye opening and
    closing.

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Case 2
  • Her husband indicates to you that they wish for
    the ventilator to be turned off. They had
    discussed this hypothetical situation in the past
    as the family knows Christopher Reeves who used
    to ride horses at their ranch She confirms this
    when you ask her if this is true.

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Consent
  • The pts right to agree to, OR refuse a medical
    treatment (autonomy)
  • Requires physicians to inform pts about the
    potential consequences of both accepting and
    refusing a treatment

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Implied vs.. Explicit Consent
  • Implied Consent
  • Pts actions in keeping w/ agreeing to Tx
  • E.g. Pt rolls onto side and pulls down pants when
    told of need to perform a DRE
  • Explicit Consent
  • Verbal or written, and documented on chart
  • More involved discussion of risks, benefits, and
    alternatives
  • Should be obtained by person doing procedure

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Components of Consent
  1. Possession of decision-making capacity
  2. Provision of pertinent information about the
    proposed therapy on which to base a decision
  3. Consent is voluntary, and obtained w/o coercion
    or manipulation.

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Guidelines for informed consent
  • Discuss procedure including anticipated impact,
    significant risks, and alternatives
  • Encourage questions
  • Explain likely outcome if treatment is not
    provided without resorting to coercion
  • Specifically address individual concerns
  • Adhere to above for all patients even if they
    seem prepared to accept any treatment

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Assault vs.. Battery
  • Assault
  • Threatening to touch someone
  • Battery
  • Touching someone without that persons agreement
  • Any intervention in the ED provided w/o the pts
    consent in situations other than those where
    consent is not required

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Exceptions to Need for Consent
  • Based on concept of beneficience
  • Emergencies If immediate threat to life or limb,
    and unable to give consent
  • Unconscious trauma victim
  • Person lacking capacity and at acute risk
  • Intoxicated drug OD pt wanting to leave
  • May require invocation of Mental Health Act
  • Treatment of minors
  • 12 yo Jehovah's witness w/ acute blood loss
  • Public Health Regulations
  • Mandatory reporting laws

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Age of Consent
  • No age of consent in Canadian tort law
  • Provincial legislation for age of consent
  • PEI
  • 18 yo or married (for surgery)
  • NB
  • 16 yo or younger if competent
  • PQ
  • 14 yo
  • SK
  • 18 yo or married (for surgery)
  • BC
  • 16 yo if unable to obtain parental consent need
    2nd physician to provide written opinion of
    necessity of Tx

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Case 3
  • 14 yo female is brought in by her mother. A
    friend of the girl has just phoned the mother to
    say that she had gotten drunk, done drugs, and
    then had sex with a nineteen year old. The pt
    denies all this. Mom demands a drug screen AND
    pelvic examination. She firmly states that as the
    pt is a minor, and she the parent, you must abide
    by her wishes. Do you? What if the girl refuses
    the blood and urine tests, and pelvic exam? Are
    you obliged to refer her to the sexual assault
    team? Are you obliged to notify the police?

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Case 4
  • A 12 yo girl is brought to the ED by her mother
    c/o fever dysuria. The pt does not want her mom
    present during the interview or exam. She is
    pre-menarchal, and denies being sexually active,
    or sexual or physical contact against her will.
    Her temp is 38.0. Superficial genital exam
    reveals multiple labial ulcerations and
    malodorous vaginal discharge.

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Case 5
  • A 16 yo female is brought to the ED by her mother
    for abd pain, vomiting, and PV bleeding. You
    examine her in private. She admits to consensual
    sexual activity. A urine pregnancy test is ve,
    and she has a tender R adnexal mass. U/S
    confirms a ectopic pregnancy. She understands the
    need for intervention and is willing to see O G
    but insists you not tell her mom.

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Case 6
  • A 70 yo man with gangrene of R foot leg from a
    diabetic ulcer is in your ED. He is requesting a
    Rx for abx painkillers. You tell him that you
    think he should come into hospital and see a
    surgeon. He refuses this saying he does not want
    his leg amputated. better to die than lose your
    independence he tells you.
  • His daughter is present and argues with him
    vehemently. At one point she tells him you cant
    go on like this, all cooped up by yourself in
    that house not taking care of yourself. She
    tells you he has been depressed since his wifes
    death 2 yrs ago.

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Capacity
  • Ability to comprehend process
  • Information about the treatment or test
  • Potential consequences of acceptance or refusal
  • Capacity can fluctuate with situation time
  • Assess on sliding-scale the more serious the
    decision, the more competent the pt should be
  • Age does not necessarily preclude capacity
  • Assessment of capacity poorly studied subject
    to bias
  • Few statutory laws other than those regarding
    formal admissions for psychiatric pts to guide
    you

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Impaired Capacity
  • Examples of impaired capacity
  • Intoxication
  • Organic brain disease (e.g. Alzheimers)
  • Minors
  • Suicidal pts
  • Other psychiatric illnesses

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Aid to Capacity Evaluation (ACE)
  • Tool for systematic evaluation of capacity
    developed at U of T by experts in law, ethics,
    and medicine
  • Scores 7 areas as yes, no, or unsure
  • Requires identifying addressing any
    communication barriers
  • Done in conjunction w/ discussing risks,
    benefits, alternatives of proposed Tx
  • ACE questionnaire available at http//www.utoronto
    .ca/jcb/_ace/ace(fm).htm

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ACE Questions
  • Ability to understand
  • Current medical problem
  • Proposed Tx
  • Alternative therapies (if any)
  • Option of refusing any Tx
  • Reasonably foreseeable consequences of accepting
    proposed Tx
  • Reasonably foreseeable consequences of refusing
    proposed Tx
  • Is the persons decision influenced by
  • Depression
  • Delusions or psychosis

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ACE Conclusions
  • Final assessment subjective, but based on score
    in prior areas
  • Pt should demonstrate ability to understand
    relevant info AND possible consequences
  • Clinician designates pt as one of
  • Definitely capable
  • Probably capable
  • Probably incapable
  • Definitely incapable

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Validity of ACE
  • Cross-sectional study of 100 inpatients w/
    questionable capacity facing serious medical
    decisions
  • Assessed by residents research nurse using ACE
    MMSE, general impression of attending
    physician, and formal assessments 2 separate
    experts
  • Compared results of each

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Validity of ACE
  • Results
  • ACE took 15 min to administer
  • Agreement b/w ACE and expert opinion was sig
    higher (k 0.90-95) than the general impression
    of attending physician (k 0.86)
  • MMSE scores of 0-16 correlated sig w/ incapacity
    (k 0.93)
  • A MMSE score of 0-16 combined w/ an ACE score of
    probably or definitely incapable resulted in
    post-test prob of 96 for incapacity
  • A MMSE score of gt24 combined w/ an ACE score of
    probably or definitely capable resulted in
    post-test prob of incapacity of 3

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Validity of ACE
  • Conclusions
  • ACE MMSE both agree well w/ expert opinion
  • Indeterminate results (probably capable or
    incapable MMSE score 17 23) correlate more
    poorly and should prompt alternative evaluation
  • Combining ACE and MMSE preferable
  • Etchells et al. J Gen Intern Med. 1999 14 27-34

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Case 7
  • An ill-appearing 2-year-old with a fever and
    stiff neck appears to have meningitis. His
    parents refuse a lumbar puncture on the grounds
    that they have heard spinal taps are extremely
    dangerous and painful. They refuse treatment and
    investigation, saying, " We'd prefer to take him
    home and have our minister pray over him."

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Case 8
  • A 5-year-old child has just had his second
    generalized tonic-clonic seizure in a 4 month
    period. You have recommended starting an
    anticonvulsant. The parents have concerns about
    the recommended medication and would prefer to
    wait and see if their son has more seizures. How
    should you respond to the parents request?

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Treatment Refusal
  • A person of proper mental capacity has the right
    to refuse even life-saving Tx
  • A parent or guardian may NOT make this same
    decision for a minor in their charge
  • Written documentation corroborated by family
    members have been deemed sufficient grounds to
    withhold emergent therapy in an unconscious
    patient

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Treatment Refusal
  • The key question in the ED regarding refusal of
    treatment is whether the patient is competent to
    make this decision
  • Difficult area, but generally based on
  • Set of values and goals
  • Consistency in decision-making
  • Ability to understand communicate info
  • Linguistic conceptual skills
  • Sufficient life experience
  • Ability to reason
  • Refusal of life-saving measures usually mandates
    assistance in determination of competency

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Case 9
  • A 50 yo male receiving palliative care for
    metastatic stomach CA is brought in by his family
    b/c of poor pain control and inability to
    tolerate PO feeds
  • His vitals are 37.4 / 110 / 96/70
  • He looks cachectic, jaundiced, dry, is drowsy
    unable to answer Qs or cooperate with exam
  • He has multiple metabolic abnormalities including
    renal failure on his lab work

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Case 9
  • His wife states that he did not wish for
    life-prolonging measures or resuscitation, only
    for comfort and dignity
  • His wife does not want you to start an IV,
    however his son daughter argue that he is
    dehydrated and should not starve to death
  • How do you approach this?

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Case 10
  • A 79 yo male is brought to the ED from a nursing
    home in acute resp distress.
  • Recent admission records indicate COPD, end-stage
    RF, and dementia. He is non-ambulatory.
  • On exam he is in sig resp distress. His vitals
    are 38.0 / 130 / 140/90 / 30 / 79 on 40 O2
  • He is frail and unable to answer Qs.

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Case 10
  • There is no documented code status anywhere
  • The only family member you can reach is a son who
    lives in Miami. He last saw his father 8 mo ago.
    The son informs you that his father would not
    want any aggressive treatment.

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Substitute Decision Makers
  • Person chosen to make medical decisions on behalf
    of an incompetent pt
  • Role is to use Substituted Judgment to try and
    mirror what the pts wishes most likely would be

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Substitute Decision Maker
  • Murky area in Canadian law
  • family members probably not legally empowered to
    act as substitute decision makers unless
    specifically court appointed, although this is
    common practice
  • If no appointed SDM, use in rank order
  • Court-appointed guardian ? spouse / partner ?
    child ? parent ? sibling ? other relative
  • If no one available need public guardian

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Minors
  • Mature Minor
  • Minor capable of understanding the risks
    benefits of a Tx are entitled to make autonomous
    decisions
  • Emancipated Minors
  • Sub-group of mature minors
  • Those who support themselves independently and
    live separately from their parents, are married,
    and / or serve in the armed forces.

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Case
  • A 45 yo male is brought in by EMS for polydrug
    OD. He is intubated and placed on a ventilator
    for resp failure.
  • A suicide note is found on scene in which the pt
    claims he has the right to choose to die on his
    own terms given his Dx of ALS, that he is
    rational and not depressed, and that he will sue
    anyone resuscitating him.

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Case
  • His common-law wife arrives with his living
    will. It was formulated 6 mo prior, witnessed
    and notarized. In it the pt clearly states that
    if he is ..in a condition that is terminal with
    no reasonable hope of recovery I do not want
    heroic measures to prolong my dying..
  • His wife states he would not want these
    interventions and demands you turn the ventilator
    off

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Case 11
  • An elderly man with end-stage emphysema presents
    to the emergency room awake and alert and
    complaining of shortness of breath. An evaluation
    reveals that he has pneumonia. His condition
    deteriorates in the emergency room and he has
    impending respiratory failure, though he remains
    awake and alert. A copy of a signed and witnessed
    living will is in his chart stipulates that he
    wants no "invasive" medical procedures that would
    "serve only to prolong my death." No surrogate
    decision maker is available. Should mechanical
    ventilation be instituted? What if he presents
    confused and somnolent?

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Advance Directive
  • Legal document outlining a pts wishes regarding
    their medical Tx in the event of becoming
    incapable of directing their care
  • May assign a person to be SDM in which case it is
    a proxy directive or durable power of
    attorney
  • Can be revoked by the pt at any time

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Case 12
  • A 16 yo female presents w/ PV bleeding and abd
    pain. She came alone.
  • By Hx exam she is 10 wks pregnant and is having
    an incomplete abortion with sig bleeding
  • You discuss the situation with the pt and after
    discussing the options she states she wants a D
    C

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Case 12
  • As you hang up the phone after talking to O G
    the mother identifies herself to you and asks
    what is going on with her daughter. You ask her
    to speak with the pt. She returns stating her
    daughter has no idea what is going on and as the
    parent she demands to know what is wrong.

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Case 13
  • A 24 yo male presents w/ penile d/c. He admits to
    using the services of a prostitute on a recent
    business trip to Thailand. You feel he likely has
    gonorrhoea and Tx him accordingly. His wife is in
    the waiting room. He demands you keep his Dx
    confidential stating that it was a one time
    thing and if she knew it would ruin their
    marriage. You buy yourself some time by going to
    grab a prescription padOutside you are approached
    by his wife who asks what is the matter with her
    husband.

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Case 14
  • A 60-year-old man has a heart attack and is
    admitted to the medical floor with a very poor
    prognosis. He asks that you not share any of his
    medical information with his wife as he does not
    think she will be able to take it. His wife
    catches you in the hall and asks about her
    husband's prognosis. Would you tell his wife?

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Confidentiality
  • Pts has the right to hold the physician to
    secrecy regarding personal info
  • EXCEPT where
  • Doing so contravenes legal obligations
  • Doing so may result in harm to others
  • Doing so may result in harm to the pt AND the pt
    is incompetent
  • All reasonable steps must be taken to inform pt
    of intended breach of confidentiality

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Case 15
  • A 55 yo female is brought to the ED for decreased
    colostomy output and abdominal pain. She has a Hx
    of TAH BSO for ovarian CA 5 yrs ago. She looks
    mildly unwell and has generalized abdominal
    tenderness, but is otherwise stable. An U/S shows
    peritoneal carcinomatosis. Your staff surgeon who
    has not seen the pt, shrugs and tells you to
    send her back to the peripheral hospital from
    where she came. When you ask him about what you
    should tell her he says Nothing. Let the GP
    handle it

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Case 16
  • You are about to go see your next pt who is here
    after a minor MVA when you are intercepted by her
    daughter in the hall
  • She tells you that her mother has cancer, but she
    has not told her of this and asks you to keep
    this secret.
  • On exam there is an obvious mass lesion on the
    left breast. As you are auscultating the pt asks
    you about the mass.

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Case 17
  • A 89 yo male is brought to the ED for cough
    resp distress.
  • You find he has b/l pneumonia, chronic pulmonary
    edema, as well as a UTI
  • He was discharged 3 wks ago for CHF exacerbation
    with multiple complications
  • He was a full code status at that time

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Case 17
  • Despite treating him with Abx, diuretics, and O2
    his breathing continues to deteriorate. He starts
    to look more septic so you start him on biPAP and
    dopamine.
  • You discuss the situation w/ his wife. When you
    bring up code status she becomes upset and
    insists everything be done
  • Just then you are called into the resus room
    your pt is in PEA

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Case 18
  • A 45 yo female of is brought to the ED w/ fever
    cough. She is in a persistent vegetative state x
    2 yrs following an MVA, lives in a nursing home
    and depends on a G-tube for nutrition. She is
    tachypneic and her O2 sats are 86 on RA. You Dx
    her w/ pneumonia and start her on abx and O2. As
    she looks unwell you broach the topic of code
    status. The family, who are Orthodox Jews, insist
    that she receive all measures including
    intubation ICU care if necessary. Is this
    appropriate?

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Medical Futility
  • Futility
  • action that is ineffective or w/o useful purpose
  • Medical futility
  • Variety of definitions but none widely accepted
  • based on largely subjective opinions as we often
    dont really know the true efficacy of a
    treatment, nor can predict its success in a
    particular patient

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Medical Futility
  • AHA ACLS guidelines for terminating
    resuscitation
  • BLS ALS have been attempted appropriately w/o
    ROSC or breathing
  • Deteriorating pt condition despite maximal
    therapy precludes likelihood of recovery (e.g.
    septic shock in ICU)
  • Disease states from which no successful
    resuscitation has been reported in well-designed
    studies (e.g. metastatic CA)

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Medical Futility
  • Schneidermann et al 1990
  • A treatment is futile if merely preserves
    permanent unconsciousness or fails to end total
    dependence of intensive medical care
  • Efforts can be terminated, or care withdrawn w/o
    pt approval ..when physicians conclude (either
    through personal experience, experiences shared
    with colleagues, or consideration of empiric
    data) that in the last 100 cases, a medical
    treatment has been useless

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Medical Futility
  • Brody and Halevy 1995
  • Physiologic futility
  • failure to produce a physiologic response
  • Imminent demise futility
  • failure to prevent death in the very near future
  • Lethal condition futility
  • intervention not expected to impact fatal outcome
    in near future due to underlying condition
  • Qualitative futility
  • intervention not expected to result in an
    acceptable quality of life

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Pro-futility arguments
  • Professional Integrity
  • Physicians should not be forced into providing
    treatments they believe offer no benefit or are
    potentially harmful
  • Professional Expertise
  • Pts seek the advice of a physician regarding
    diagnosis and treatment options and would not
    normally expect to be offered Tx w/ little or no
    benefit
  • Resource Stewardship
  • Selective use of limited resources to maximize
    societal benefit

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Anti-futility Arguments
  • Respect for Pt Autonomy
  • Where the goals of Tx, or odds of success worth
    pursuing are perceived differently by the
    physician and the pt or substitute decision
    makers, the latters wishes should be respected
  • Prognostic Uncertainty
  • Literature of critically ill pts suggests
    physicians are not good at accurately predicting
    outcomes making it difficult to justify
    withholding care based on this
  • Lack of Societal Consensus on Futility
  • Unless universally agreed upon, no futility
    judgments should be imposed on unwilling subjects

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Approach to Futility
  • Patient Preferences
  • Likelihood of medical benefit
  • Based on literature
  • Likelihood of non-medical benefits
  • Includes family needs, grieving process etc
  • Family Wishes
  • Potential Risks of Intervention
  • Risks to pt and healthcare workers

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Demands for Inappropriate Care
  • Three groups
  • Demands for ineffective Tx
  • E.g. antibiotics for common cold
  • Demands for effective Tx that supports a
    controversial goal
  • E.g. liver transplant for 104 yo pt w/ end-stage
    liver dz
  • Cases at the fringe of standard medical care
  • E.g. chelation therapy

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Demands for Inappropriate Care
  • You are under no obligation to provide Tx that
    falls outside the standard of care, or those for
    which there is very poor evidence but which may
    be used by a small number of physicians
  • If an acute situation is complex, possibly
    inappropriate requests for life-saving measures
    should be respected

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Demands for Inappropriate Care
  • Demands for effective Tx that supports a
    controversial goal
  • Most difficult situation
  • Values of physician vs.. family / pt
  • Autonomy vs.. distributive justice
  • Often requires extensive discussions help
  • Hospital ethics committee
  • Social workers
  • Clergy

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Case 19
  • A 75 yo male is brought in by EMS. He was found
    comatose in his bed next to an empty bottle of
    barbiturates by a home care nurse. His son
    arrives and tells you his father has advanced
    lung CA with extensive bony mets which cause him
    intractable pain despite massive narcotic use.
    He is expected to die within the next 6 mo and
    has repeatedly stated the he is ready to face
    the maker. Your pt at that point goes into resp
    arrest. The son pleads with you not to intervene.
    Please, just let him go. He wants to die..has
    he not suffered enough?

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The BIG Question
  • Are some suicides reasonable decisions rooted in
    the concept of autonomy?
  • 90 of suicides felt to be associated w/ some
    form of mental illness on post-mortem review
  • Beneficience in the form of intervention
    overrules pt autonomy in these cases based on the
    idea that the mentally impaired pt the lacks
    capacity
  • Situations where an otherwise competent pt
    chooses suicide are less straightforward

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Are there good reasons for a pt to commit
suicide? Should these be respected?
  • Pro
  • A pt who has capacity has the right to
    self-determination should not suffer the
    imposition of others moral beliefs
  • If all other medical options (beneficience) have
    been exhausted then our next duty should be to
    avoid further harm (maleficience)
  • We must clearly differentiate between our own
    moral belief system and the choices we would make
    for ourselves, and those of our pts

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Are there good reasons for a pt to commit
suicide? Should these be respected?
  • Con
  • Suicide is counter to the principle of preserving
    life
  • Controversial whether suicide can truly represent
    a rational choice
  • Not legally recognized as a right
  • Rejected by most major religions
  • In the ED in particular knowledge of the pt and
    their circumstances limited

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Physician Assisted Suicide
  • Legal in Netherlands Oregon
  • Not legal in Canadayet
  • Impact on ED
  • Failed suicide attempts who do we resuscitate?
  • Family members demanding resuscitation
  • Staff unable to comply with pts wish to die
  • Conflict b/w members of health care team
  • Conflict w/ institutional policy

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Intervening in Suicide
  • Catch 22 the need to avoid 2 mistakes
  • Intervening when it is not warranted
  • Not intervening when it is warranted
  • Bottom line
  • 90 will have mental illness, combined with the
    lack of prior intimate knowledge of the pt alone
    should prompt intervention given the
    irreversibility of suicide

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And finallythe biggest question
Is this ethical, for healthcare workers to
smoke?
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  • THE END

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Case 20
  • 51 yo male presents w/ 2 hr CP
  • 2 mm STE in ant leads
  • Tx w/ ASA, nitro r/o contraindications to
    thrombolysis
  • During risks benefits discussion his pain
    resolves ECG normalizes CCU consult
  • 2 hrs later nurse tells you pt is attempting to
    leave b/c his pain has resolved and he is tired
    of waiting around
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