Title: IAU Joint Discussion 8
1Future Giant Telescope (FGT) Projects and Their
Technological Challenges
- IAU Joint Discussion 8
- July 17, 2003
- Larry Stepp
2Outline
- Introduction how FGTs will advance beyond
current-generation telescopes - A brief history of FGTs
- Current concepts for FGTs
- Technology challenges common to all
3Current-Generation Telescopes
- 8- to 10-meter telescopes have achieved better
performance at lower relative cost by reducing
the size and mass of telescope enclosure - Improvements in polishing and testing techniques
have enabled faster primary mirrors - Active optics has achieved tighter alignment
tolerances and enabled mirrors to be made
lightweight - Faster primaries, lighter mirrors, alt-azimuth
mounts FEA have resulted in smaller, stiffer
telescope structures - Smaller, stiffer structures have allowed
enclosures to be smaller and better ventilated,
improving local seeing
- As a result, sub-half-arc-second images are
becoming commonplace
4Mayall ? Keck
- Cost in 1973 10.6 M
- Adjusted to 1992 33.7 M
- Projected cost of 10m in 1992 400 M
- Actual cost of Keck 10m telescope in 1992 110 M
350 tonnes
270 tonnes
5Future Giant Telescopes
- FGTs will continue the trends of the current
generation - Faster primary focal ratios
- Relatively lighter structures
- And they will advance beyond the Current
Generation - Integral adaptive optics systems
- Smart structures
- This will enable FGTs to have
- An order of magnitude more light-gathering power
- Better image quality and resolution
- Diffraction-limited at ? 1 micron
- However, significant technological challenges
must be solved to make this possible
6A Brief History of Future Giant TelescopesThe
Kitt Peak Next Generation Telescope
- 25-m telescope
- Segmented f/1 primary
- Radio-telescope style mount
- Concept from 1977
7A Brief History of Future Giant TelescopesThe
National New Technology Telescope (NNTT)
- 16-m telescope
- MMT-type
- Four 8-m f/1.8 primary mirrors
- Concept from 1986
8A Brief History of Future Giant TelescopesMore
Concepts Were Advanced in the Early 1990s
- J. R. P. Angel, Filled Aperture Telescopes in the
Next Millennium, SPIE 1236, 1990. - A. Ardeberg, T. Andersen, B. Lindberg, M.
Owner-Petersen, T. Korhonen, P. Søndergård,
Breaking the 8m Barrier - One Approach for a 25m
Class Optical Telescope, ESO Conf. and Workshop
Proc. No. 42, 1992. - M. Mountain, What is beyond the current
generation of ground-based 8-m to 10-m class
telescopes and the VLT-I?, SPIE 2871, 1996. - F. N. Bash, T. A. Sebring, F. B. Ray, L. W.
Ramsey, The extremely large telescope A
twenty-five meter aperture for the twenty-first
century, SPIE 2871, 1996. - V. V. Sytchev, V. B. Kasperski, S. M. Stroganova,
V. I. Travush, On conceptual design options of a
large optical telescope of 10...25 metre class,
SPIE 2871, 1996.
9Current Concepts for FGTsLarge Aperture
Telescope (LAT)
- LAT Consortium
- Cornell
- Chicago
- Illinois
- Northwestern
- Site high Atacama desert or Antarctica
Design concept for LAT From a presentation by Ed
Kibblewhite
10Large Aperture Telescope (LAT)
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Adaptive primary mirror
- Design shown would have 36-m primary with 28-m
adaptive central zone - Science goals emphasize IR and sub-millimeter
wavelengths - Low PWV sites provide logistical challenges
11Large Aperture Telescope (LAT)
- Design Parameters
- Optical design TBD
- Primary mirror diameter 20-m to 36-m
- Primary mirror focal ratio TBD ( f/1)
- Secondary mirror diameter TBD
- Final focal ratio TBD
- Field of View 5 - 10
- Instrument locations Cassegrain
- Elevation axis location Below primary mirror
12Large Aperture Telescope (LAT)
- Key Technical Challenges
- Cost-effective fabrication of lightweight,
off-axis aspheric segments - Structure needs high damping
- Momentum compensation for adaptive segments
- Efficient segment co-phasing systems
- Laser guidestar beacons
- Site survey studies of CN2 profile
- More information is available at
- http//astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/atacama/atacama.htm
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13Magellan 20
- Partner organizations include
- Carnegie
- Harvard
- Smithsonian
- MIT
- Arizona
- Michigan
- Site Las Campanas, Chile
Design Concept for Magellan 20 From a
presentation by Roger Angel
14Magellan 20
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Primary consists of seven 8.4-m mirrors
- Segmented, adaptive secondary
- Ground-conjugate adaptive optics
- Allows later incorporation into a 20-20
interferometer
15Magellan 20
- Design Parameters
- Optical design Aplanatic Gregorian
- Primary mirror diameter 26-m (22-m equiv.)
- Primary mirror focal ratio f/0.7
- Secondary mirror diameter 2.5-m
- Final focal ratio f/10
- Field of View 12 - 20
- Instrument locations Nasmyth
- Nasmyth (vertical)
- Cassegrain
- Elevation axis location Below primary mirror
16Magellan 20
- Key Technical Challenges
- Fabrication testing of highly-aspheric 8.4-m
off-axis segments - Segmented adaptive secondary mirror
- Laser guidestar beacons
- Multi-conjugate adaptive optics
- More information is available at
- http//helios.astro.lsa.umich.edu/magellan/intro/s
cience_case_march16.htm
17High Dynamic Range Telescope
- Design developed by
- Univ. of Hawaii
- Site Mauna Kea, Hawai'i
- (replace the CFHT)
Design concept for HDRT From a paper by Kuhn et al
18High Dynamic Range Telescope
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Rapidly switchable narrow-field wide-field modes
- Segmented secondary mirrors
- Concept for bi-parting enclosure
- Adaptive structure
19High Dynamic Range Telescope
- Design Parameters
- Optical design Gregorian (NF) 3-mirror
anastigmat (WF) - Primary mirror diameter 22-m (16-m equiv.)
- Primary mirror focal ratio f/1
- Secondary mirror diameter six _at_ 0.14-m (NF)
- six _at_ 2.3-m (WF)
- Tertiary mirror diameter 7-m
- Final focal ratio f/15 (NF) f/1.9 (WF)
- Field of View 3 (NF) 2 degrees (WF)
- Instrument locations Central
- Elevation axis location Above primary mirror
20High Dynamic Range Telescope
- Key Technical Challenges
- Fabrication of testing of 6.5-m off-axis
aspheric primary mirror segments - Fabrication testing of 2.3-m off-axis secondary
mirror segments - Adaptive telescope structure
- Laser guidestar beacons
- More information is available at
- http//www.ifa.hawaii.edu/users/kuhn/hdrt.html
21Large Petal Telescope
- Design developed by
- Obs. Astron. Marseille-Provence
- Obs. Astron. de Paris
- Site Mauna Kea, Hawai'i
- (replace the CFHT)
Design concept for LPT From a paper by Burgarella
et al
22Large Petal Telescope
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Primary consists of six or eight 8-m
sector-shaped, meniscus segments
- 3-mirror or 4-mirror optical design
- Simultaneous use of 6-8 instruments
- Adaptive telescope structure
23Large Petal Telescope
- Design Parameters
- Optical design 3- or 4-mirror anastigmat
- Primary mirror diameter 20-m
- Primary mirror focal ratio f/1
- Secondary mirror diameter 2.5-m to 5-m
- Final focal ratio f/5 to f/7.5
- Field of View 1 degree
- Instrument locations Cassegrain
- Elevation axis location Below primary mirror
24Large Petal Telescope
- Key Technical Challenges
- Fabrication testing of 8-m off-axis aspheric
primary mirror segments - Fabrication testing of secondary mirror
- Adaptive telescope structure
- Multi-conjugate adaptive optics
- Laser guidestar beacons
- More information is available at
- http//www.astrsp-mrs.fr/denis/ngcfht/ngcfht.html
25Very Large Optical Telescope (VLOT)
- Design developed by
- HIA
- AMEC
- Site Mauna Kea, Hawai'i
- (replace the CFHT)
Design Concept for VLOT AMEC Dynamic Structures
26Very Large Optical Telescope (VLOT)
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Considering concept with 8-m diameter central
mirror surrounded by sector-shaped smaller
segments - Calotte dome concept
27Very Large Optical Telescope (VLOT)
- Design Parameters
- Optical design Ritchey-Chrétien
- Primary mirror diameter 20-m
- Primary mirror focal ratio f/1
- Secondary mirror diameter 2.5-m
- Final focal ratio f/15
- Field of View 20
- Instrument locations Nasmyth (vertical)
- Elevation axis location Below primary mirror
28Very Large Optical Telescope (VLOT)
- Key Technical Challenges
- Cost-effective fabrication of lightweight,
off-axis aspheric segments - Fabrication testing of secondary mirror
- Laser guidestar beacons
- Multi-conjugate adaptive optics
- Laser guidestar beacons
- More information is available at
- http//www.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/VLOT/index.html.
29California Extremely Large Telescope (CELT)
- CELT Partnership
- Caltech
- Univ. of California
- Site TBD (Mauna Kea or northern Chile or Mexico)
Design concept for CELT From the CELT Greenbook
30California Extremely Large Telescope (CELT)
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Scaled up Keck design with 1080 segments arranged
in 91 rafts - Large Nasmyth platforms
31California Extremely Large Telescope (CELT)
- Design Parameters
- Optical design Ritchey-Chrétien
- Primary mirror diameter 30-m
- Primary mirror focal ratio f/1.5
- Secondary mirror diameter 3.96-m
- Tertiary mirror major axis 4.38-m
- Final focal ratio f/15
- Field of View 20
- Instrument locations Nasmyth
- Elevation axis location Above primary mirror
32California Extremely Large Telescope (CELT)
- Key Technical Challenges
- Cost-effective fabrication of 1080 off-axis
aspheric primary mirror segments - Fabrication testing of secondary mirror
- Fast tip-tilt-piston of secondary and tertiary
mirrors - Efficient segment co-phasing systems
- Laser guidestar beacons
- Multi-conjugate adaptive optics
- More information is available at
- http//celt.ucolick.org/
33Giant Segmented Mirror Telescope
- Design by AURA New Initiatives Office
- NOAO
- Gemini
- Site TBD (Mauna Kea or northern Chile or Mexico)
Design Concept for GSMT From animation by Rick
Robles
34Giant Segmented Mirror Telescope
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Prime focus instrument
- Aperture stop at secondary
- Adaptive secondary
35Giant Segmented Mirror Telescope
- Design Parameters
- Optical design Cassegrain (or R-C)
- Primary mirror diameter 32-m (30-m equiv.)
- Primary mirror focal ratio f/1
- Secondary mirror diameter 2-m
- Final focal ratio f/18.75
- Field of View 20
- Instrument locations Prime focus
- Nasmyth
- Cassegrain (moving fixed)
- Elevation axis location Below primary mirror
36Giant Segmented Mirror Telescope
- Key Technical Challenges
- Cost-effective fabrication of 618 off-axis
aspheric primary mirror segments - Efficient segment co-phasing systems
- Adaptive secondary mirror
- Laser guidestar beacons
- Multi-conjugate adaptive optics
- Adaptive telescope structure
- More information is available at
- www.aura-nio.noao.edu/
37Euro50
- Euro50 partners
- Lund University
- Inst. de Astrofisica de Canarias
- Dept. of Physics, Galway, Ireland
- Tuorla Observatory
- Optical Science Lab.
- National Physical Lab.
- Site La Palma
Design Concept for Euro50 From Euro50 web site
38Euro50
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Adaptive secondary with composite face sheet
- F/5 focal reducer for seeing-limited observing
39Euro50
- Design Parameters
- Optical design Gregorian
- Primary mirror diameter 50-m
- Primary mirror focal ratio f/0.85
- Secondary mirror diameter 4-m
- Final focal ratio f/13 also f/5 f/16 f/20
- Field of View 4
- Instrument locations Nasmyth
- Folded Cassegrain
- Elevation axis location Below primary mirror
40Euro50
- Key Technical Challenges
- Cost-effective fabrication of 618 off-axis
aspheric primary mirror segments - Efficient segment co-phasing systems
- Adaptive secondary mirror
- Laser guidestar beacons
- Multi-conjugate adaptive optics
- More information is available at
- http//www.astro.lu.se/torben/euro50/
41Overwhelming Large Telescope (OWL)
- Design by European Southern Observatory
- Site TBD
Design Concept for OWL From OWL web site
42Overwhelming Large Telescope (OWL)
- Interesting Features of Concept
- Spherical primary mirror
- Flat segmented secondary mirror
- Three aspheric mirrors
- Elevation assembly recessed into ground
- Mount tied to ground by multiple drive bogies
43Overwhelming Large Telescope (OWL)
- Design Parameters
- Optical design Six-mirror design
- Primary mirror (M1) diameter 100-m
- Primary mirror focal ratio f/1.42
- Secondary mirror (M2) diameter 26-m
- M3 diameter 8.1-m
- M4 diameter 8.2-m
- M5 diameter 3.5-m
- Final focal ratio f/7.5
- Field of View 10
- Instrument locations Central
- Elevation axis location Above primary mirror
44Overwhelming Large Telescope (OWL)
- Key Technical Challenges
- Fabrication of large numbers of lightweight
segments - Active structure to move corrector
- Efficient segment co-phasing systems
- Multi-conjugate adaptive optics
- 2.4-m adaptive flat mirror
- 3.5-m adaptive curved mirror
- More information is available at
- http//www.eso.org/projects/owl/
45Required Technology DevelopmentsTelescope
Optics
46Required Technology DevelopmentsTelescope
Optics
47Required Technology DevelopmentsAdaptive Optics
48Required Technology DevelopmentsAdaptive Optics
49Required Technology DevelopmentsAdaptive Optics
50Required Technology DevelopmentsAdaptive Optics
51Required Technology DevelopmentsInstruments
- Affordable large near-IR detectors
- Affordable large mid-IR detectors
- Advanced image slicers for IFUs
- Fiber positioners
- MOEMS slit masks for multi-object spectroscopy
- Large-format volume-phase holographic gratings
- Large-format immersed silicon gratings
- Large lenses filters
52Call For International Cooperation
- Our needs are so similar and our resources are
limited, close cooperation is essential - Joint ventures where sensible
- Coordination to ensure studies are complementary
- Open sharing of information as much as possible
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