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Title: THEODICIES


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THEODICIES
  • THE BIG TWO

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TWO THEODICIES CONTRASTED
  • The two theodicies in the Christian tradition
    that have dominated the discussions are
  • IRENAEAN
  • AUGUSTINIAN
  • Ref. Bernard Farrs article in Dialogue 8, Apr 97
    entitled Faith Freedom

3
What is a theodicy?
  • An attempted resolution of the problem of evil.
  • Gk. (Theos God) (Dike Justice)
  • Starts from assumption that there is a God.
  • Must (a) be internally coherent, (b) be
    consistent with the data, religious and other.

4
Some observations
  • Evil, pain and suffering are not synonyms.
  • At one level this is an intellectual problem.
  • At another level it is an existential problem, an
    experienced mystery.
  • evil is not a problem to be solved, but a
    mystery to be encountered and lived through -
    Marcel

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AUGUSTINIAN first
  • Although Augustine (354-430 AD) is a later
    thinker than Irenaeus, his is often the first
    position to be considered.
  • It has dominated traditional Christian thinking
    both Roman Catholic and Protestant.
  • Big name advocates include Augustine, Aquinas,
    Calvin and Leibniz

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AUGUSTINIANRESPONSIBILITY FOR EVIL
  • Created beings have misused their freedom
  • Angels and/or human beings
  • Moral evil is their fault
  • Natural evil is an inevitable consequence
    (punishment) for that moral evil

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AUGUSTINIANMETAPHYSICAL VIEWS 1
  • METAPHYSICS is concerned with large scale
    explanations or accounts of Reality.
  • There are three features here
  • 1 Evil is non-being. God only creates
    good. So evil is good gone wrong or to be found
    at the edge of existence.

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AUGUSTINIAN METAPHYSICAL VIEWS 2
  • 2 Aesthetic analogy some parts are ugly
    but the whole picture is more beautiful because
    of them.
  • 3 Principle of plenitude it is better to
    have a universe full of all kinds of beings,
    even if some of them suffer or create evil.

9
AUGUSTINIANGOD AND THE UNIVERSE
  • God relates to the universe impersonally.
  • Humans are created to complete the list of types
    of being.

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AUGUSTINIANLOOKS TO THE PAST
  • The FALL.
  • This offers the explanation of the origin of
    evil.
  • Note that the Fall of the angels Satan in
    particular, precedes the Fall of Adam and Eve.

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AUGUSTINIANMORE ON THE FALL
  • Adam (man) created perfect in perfect world but
    deliberately sinned.
  • Lost original righteousness and descendents
    inherit original sin original guilt and are
    subject to natural evil as punishment for Adams
    sin.
  • This inheritance is natural because of our
    seminal identity with Adam. We are all in that
    one man - Augustine

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AUGUSTINIANCONSEQUENCES OF THE FALL
  • Our freedom to come to God and our ability to
    reason about Him are either radically impaired or
    totally lost by the Fall.
  • The universe is no longer as God intended it to
    be. No longer a suffering free Paradise. Now it
    needs to be saved by Gods grace through
    redemption.

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AUGUSTINIANDESTINY QUESTION
  • Our behaviour and response to God in this world
    will determine our ultimate destiny
  • HEAVEN
  • or
  • HELL

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IRENAEAN second
  • Irenaeus (2ndcc AD) is best remembered for his
    arguments against Gnosticism. He has had his
    arguments revived in the 20th cc by John Hick in
    Evil The God of Love 1966.
  • Other big names in this tradition are
    Schleiermacher Tennant.

15
IRENAEANOVERVIEW
  • God is seen as ultimately responsible for the
    evil in the universe.
  • Moral evil is the fault of free human beings whom
    God has created and permits to sin.
  • God has deliberately put natural evil in the
    world to create a vale of soul making.

16
IRENAEANMETAPHYSICAL VIEWS
  • No views that correspond to those in the
    Augustinian account.

17
IRENAEANGODS RELATIONSHIP TO US
  • Gods relationship to the universe is essentially
    personal.
  • Human beings were created for fellowship with
    God.

18
IRENAEANFUTURE RATIONALE
  • Look to the heavenly future to justify the
    current situation. The end justifies the evil and
    suffering of the present.
  • Evil suffering will be ended one day.
  • God brings good out of evil

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IRENAEANWHAT ABOUT THE FALL 1?
  • The Fall is less important or denied altogether.
  • Either the Fall of Adam was like the sin of a
    child. Mankind lost the likeness of God
    (perfection) at the Fall, but retained Gods
    image (freedom, responsibility, reason etc).

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IRENAEANWHAT ABOUT THE FALL 2?
  • Or mankind was created (evolved) fallen.
    Through creation/evolution, humans developed from
    the dust of the earth at an epistemic distance
    (distance of knowing) from God, from which they
    are free to grow towards Him, not being
    overwhelmed by any direct vision of the divine
    nature.

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IRENAEANWHAT ABOUT THE FALL 3
  • A two stage conception of the creation of
    humankind emerges
  • 1 IN THE IMAGE OF GOD Gradual emergence of
    homo sapiens in preparation for later
    relationship with God.
  • 2 IN THE LIKENESS OF GOD Brought through our
    own decisions to a stage where we become
    Children of God.

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IRENAEANHOW THE WORLD IS
  • More-or-less as God intended it to be.
  • A vale of soul-making with real temptations,
    risks and ambiguities.
  • The sort of world in which we can freely develop
    faith and virtue
  • We learn obedience through suffering in
    co-operation with Gods grace-through-creation.

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IRENAEANESCHATOLOGY
  • Irenaean theologians tend to reject the notion of
    hell.
  • In the end all will be saved (universalism)
    perhaps through a continuing process of
    soul-making after death (cf. purgatory Hicks
    resurrection after-worlds).
  • Some argue for annihilationism instead.

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An Irenean perspective from philosopher Robert
Ardrey quoted in The Encyclopaedia Britannica and
cited in A.J.Jacobs novel The Know-It-All. The
original quote is from Ardreys book African
Genesis (1961)
But we were born of risen apes, not fallen
angels, and the Apes were armed killers besides.
And so what shall we wonder at? Our murders and
massacres and missiles, and our irreconcilable
regiments? Or our treaties whatever they may be
worth our symphonies however seldom they may be
played our peaceful acres, however frequently
they may be Converted into battlefields our
dreams however rarely they may be accomplished.
The miracle of man is not how far he has sunk
but how magnificently he has risen. We are known
among the stars by our poems, not our corpses.
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