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Title: Just be grateful I dont take it all


1
Just be grateful I dont take it all
  • SCONUL Autumn Conference 2004
  • Pat Noon

2
The legal basis 1
  • Universities are exempt for VAT purposes
  • Cant reclaim VAT on supply of education
  • Normally constructing and running libraries is
    just one of the overheads to supplying education
  • But

3
The legal basis 2
  • Supplying library services independent of
    education supply can be taxable
  • Therefore input VAT can be recovered
  • Books and periodicals are zero rated for VAT
  • This makes levels of recoverable VAT very
    attractive in some circumstances

4
Reasons for setting up a scheme
  • To reclaim the VAT on the build cost of buildings
    or extensions
  • To hedge against VAT on books and periodicals
  • To reclaim VAT on future recurrent and capital
    spend

5
Is it worth it?
  • 3.1m cash in the bank
  • 4.9m savings in irrecoverable VAT over 10 years
  • 0.5m IE account benefit

6
The process 1
  • Decide if it is worth it
  • Appoint tax advisers
  • Develop options for a scheme
  • Choose a scheme
  • Do the financial models
  • Agree an irrecoverable VAT model
  • Take legal advice

7
The process 2
  • Set up a company
  • Draw up all the company documents
  • Finance the company
  • Get agreement from Customs
  • Agree prepayments if required.
  • Adapt Library budget processes
  • then run the company for 10 years

8
A cast of thousands
  • You
  • .and any of your senior colleagues who
    understand
  • Your budget manager
  • The Director of Finance
  • The Deputy Director of Finance
  • Your Finance liaison accountant
  • The person in Finance who understands VAT
  • The University Secretary/ legal expert
  • The University legal advisers
  • The Director of Estates

9
.and thousands
  • A tax consultant
  • Another tax consultant when the first goes on
    maternity leave
  • The first one back again when the second one
    leaves
  • Their accountant who understands VAT
  • A Barrister
  • A Valuer
  • Customs and Excise

10
Options for a VAT Scheme
  • Keep everything within the university
  • Use the universitys enterprise subsidiary
  • Create a separate tax vehicle
  • A subsidiary company
  • A charitable trust/company
  • Make sure you pick the right one

11
A separate company
  • In order to convince Customs
  • You will need counsel opinion
  • It has to last 10 years
  • It has to make a profit.. but not too much
  • It has to operate at arms length from the
    university

12
Making the company work
  • It will need some money from somewhere
  • and a library to run
  • and some staff
  • and services
  • and a Board Of Directors
  • and Instrument and Articles
  • and Board Meetings

13
Populating the company
  • Cash loans from the University
  • Staff leased from the University
  • A Library - bought from the university
  • Equipment, furniture and fittings -depreciated
    cost
  • Books periodicals car boot value
  • Services bought in from the university

14
Lease
Land
Contractor
Finding the cash No 1 Building the Library
15
Finding the cash No 2 Keeping the company going
16
But its never that simple
  • Limited v Charitable company
  • TLSU
  • Two sets of accounts
  • Three sets of budget monitoring
  • Invoices within the same building
  • Two Business Plans
  • Two Annual Reports
  • Fluent in Finance?
  • Prepayments

17
  • This is an anti avoidance provision aimed at
    preventing the use of VAT groups for VAT
    avoidance purposes. it gives Customs powers to
    direct that the companies concerned to be treated
    as if they were in a VAT group (thereby ignoring
    supplies between them) or conversely direct that
    a VAT group which is already in place is not
    effective for particular transactions (creating a
    VAT charge where none would otherwise arise)

18
Prepayment
  • A form of gambling hedging
  • Potential benefits if VAT scope changes
  • Liabilities known for a fixed term
  • May impose limits on freedom of the company and
    therefore the Library
  • Managing Income
  • Restricting budget revisions up and down

19
VAT Models
  • Direct costs
  • 15
  • Floor space
  • Lowest figure (7) but Customs unlikely to accept
  • All the PC space will count as standard rated
  • Staff time allocation
  • Close to direct cost but lower (13)

20
Staff time issues
  • Restrictions on activities
  • CSV
  • Careers
  • Convincing Customs
  • The diary exercise
  • What is standard rated, what is zero rated

21
Through the looking glass
  • A PC isnt a book but it can count as zero rated
    if
  • You are using the library catalogue to find a
    book
  • You are using it to write a guide to finding
    books or periodicals
  • But not if you are writing a guide to e-resources
  • But if you are explaining about a database where
    the outcome is a book that could be zero rated!
  • And then there is Customs and Excise

22
Customs and Excise
  • Excise A hateful tax Dr Johnson
  • The Chancellor is more or less a taxing
    machine.He is entrusted with a certain amount of
    misery which it is his duty to distribute as
    fairly as he can Viscount Lowe

23
Talking to the tax man about poetry
The University
  • Customs and Excise
  • For strategic reasons we want to set up a Library
    subsidiary company

You mean youve got an idea for a tax scam
For operational reasons part of the Library will
remain outside the company
That definitely sounds like a scam
  • We want to prepay the service charge for five
    years

I knew it was a scam!
24
Battles with the tax man
  • We are trying to maximise scarce resources
  • These resources are being used to improve
    directly support for students
  • They are not going into the shareholders back
    pocket
  • Why dont you chase the real villains?

25
Is it really worth it?
  • Doesnt necessary bring additional funds by
    itself
  • But more money for the university is good for all
    of us
  • Provides kudos for saving lots of money
  • which can have other indirect benefits
  • Budget cuts
  • Preserving some build costs

26
  • Its as true as taxes isand theres nothing
    truer than them Barkis
  • But in this world nothing can be said to be
    certain except death and taxes - Franklin
  • You know the taxman is going to shaft you, you
    just dont know how -I said that

27
Accountants are taking over the world
They will replace her with Cruella Da Ville
3m tax savings secured
dont let them
Make sure your VAT model is robust
Never trust a smiling Tax Officer
Get the right Company structure
Dont lose your tax consultant
Let the accountants do what they are good at
Learn to tell the future
whatever that is
Make sure it is worth it?
Do engage VAT consultants
Stick to being the Librarian
Lets set up a VAT scheme
Winning the VAT Game
28
Talking to the tax man about poetry
  • Customs and Excise
  • You mean youve got an idea for a tax scam
  • That definitely sounds like a scam
  • I knew it was a scam!
  • The University
  • For strategic reasons we want to set up a Library
    subsidiary company
  • For operational reasons part of the Library will
    remain outside the company
  • We want to prepay the service charge for five
    years
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