Title: MJOENSO interactions
1MJO-ENSO interactions
- Discussion items
- Axel Timmermann, Fei-Fei Jin, Chidong Zhang
2Slingos strawman, revisited
????
3ENSO changes the spectrum from diurnal to annual
timescales and beyond .
4State dependence of WWBs
From Eisenman
What physical mechanisms determine the
state-dependence of WWBs? What effect does the
state-dependence have on ENSO predictability? What
effect does the state-dependence have on the
seasonal evolution of ENSO?
5(Why) Did the MJO-ENSO interaction increase?
MJO-ENSO interaction increased during the last
50 years from Jin et al. 2007 Is there still a
data-issue?
6Tziperman El Nino gt WWB/MJO variance
increasesLi, Jin, McPhaden WWB/MJO variance
increases gt 9 months later El Nino???
7Jeong- Song Kugs strawman
- Background
- SST
- Circulation
Atmospheric Noise
MJO
2-7 years
ENSO
Transient feedback
Background
WWB
Synoptic Eddies
2-11 days
- Transient Feedback
- Additive Noise
- Multiplicative noise
8Why are CGCMs doing such a poor job in simulating
the MJO? What basic process is misrepresented? Wha
t effect does the state-dependence have on the
seasonal evolution of ENSO?
9Precipitation spectra in Demeter
Lin et al.
Space-time spectrum of 15N-15S symmetric
component of precipitation divided by the
background spectrum
10Wind spectra in Demeter
Lin et al.
Space-time spectrum of 15N-15S symmetric
component of 10m zonal wind in DEMETER hindcast
(May-Oct) initialized in May
11But progress is happening
3.5km resolution
From Satoh, NICAM model
From GFDL
12But progress is happening
Lag Correlation between Noise Variance and ENSO
indices
NCEP/NCAR Coupled control simulation
SNU Coupled control simulation SNU with
Cumulus momentum transfer (CMT) CMT mixes down
westerly momentum Intensifies noise variance
probably by Rossby wave instability
Courtesy of Kug, 2007
13Key Issues
- What are the relative roles of additive and
multiplicative noise in different basic states or
different ENSO regimes (unstable-chaos,
unstable-limit cycle, neutral, stable)? What are
the contributions to additive and multiplicative
stochastic forcing of ENSO from the MJO and WWB? - To what degree do misrepresentations of the
MJO/WWB in coupled models affect their ENSO
prediction? What are scientific and practical
merits to empirically correct such
misrepresentations for improving ENSO prediction?
To what degree would better MJO/WWB
representations in coupled models improve their
ENSO prediction?
14Key Issues
- Do ENSO - MJO/WWB relationships vary on decadal
or longer timescales? If they do, to what extent
does this suggest an effect of the changing basic
state on the receptiveness of ENSO to stochastic
forcing or on stochastic forcing itself? What are
its implications to ENSO prediction and
predictability? - How should various CLIVAR and broader WCRP and
regional activities be coordinated to expedite
the progress of improving the representations of
the MJO in CGCMs for the purpose of improving
ENSO prediction?
15Coordinated experiments and diagnostics
- Develop standardized diagnostics for CGCMs and
observations to quantify (a) ENSO - stochastic
forcing (distinguishing the MJO and non-MJO WWB)
connections, and (b) the additive and
multiplicative nature of stochastic forcing
(especially the MJO and WWB) - Recommend CGCM centers/groups to use the
standardized diagnostics to evaluate their models - Suggest coordinated CGCM experiments (with
improved parameterizations) to be compared and
evaluated with the standardized diagnostics
resolve diurnal cycle, cumulus momentum transfer
16Plan
- Write a review paper on Stochastic forcing of
ENSO, revisited (authors needed, more discussion
in Pacific panel meeting)
17Who is the El Nino terminator?
Upwelling Waves MJO ITCZ ?
El Nino