VRRP%20Working%20Group

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VRRP Working Group

• March 2003
• San Francisco IETF
• Mukesh Gupta / Nokia
• Chair

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AGENDA

• Introduction and Review Agenda
• Milestones/Plans
• Current Drafts
• Security Issues with VRRP
• VRRPv3
• VRRPv3 MIB
• IPR Issues
• Further Interests of the WG

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WG MILESTONES/PLANS

• Mar 2003
• - Resolve open issues with authentication methods
• Mar 2003
• - Submit updated version of VRRP (IPv4) for Draft
  Standard
• May 2003
• - Submit VRRP for IPv6 (VRRPv3) for Proposed
  Standard
• Jul 2003
• - Submit MIB for VRRPv3 for Proposed Standard
• Dec 2003
• - Review the WG goals and future potential

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CURRENT DRAFTS

• VRRPv2 (for IPv4)
• ltdraft-ietf-vrrp-spec-v2-06.txtgt
• VRRPv3 (for IPv6)
• ltdraft-ietf-vrrp-ipv6-spec-03.txtgt
• Coming Soon
• VRRPv3 MIB
• VRRP IPSEC-AH Authentication Specification (???)

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SECURITY ISSUES

• Problem
• Clear text password does not provide much
  security.
• IPsec AH might provide little security but more
  details need to be specified.
• All the security mechanisms make the situation
  worse in case of mis-configuration. (2 Masters
  !!)
• Still vulnerable to all the LAN attacks
• Proposed Solution
• Remove the security mechanisms from VRRP and
  write a good security section
• Work on a separate draft for providing IPsec AH
  security for VRRP (if enough interest in WG ??)

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SECURITY ISSUES QUESTIONS

• The Question
• Anyone against removing security ? Say it Now !!

• More Questions (How do we do it ?)
• Discourage or Remove fields from the header ?
• Backward compatibility issues when removing
  security ?
• Do we need to update the version number ?
• Do we need to recycle VRRPv2 through PS again ?
• Do we need to update VRRPv2 MIB (RFC 2787) ?
• Anything else ???

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VRRPv3

• The current draft is draft-ietf-vrrp-ipv6-spec-03.
  txt
• Needs to be reviewed. Did anyone review it ?
• Are there any implementations ? Or Plans ?
• Cant move forward without implementation
  experience !

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VRRPv3 MIB

• Needed before VRRPv3 draft moves to PS
• Kalyan, Kripakaran and Brian have started working
  on it
• New draft instead of updating the existing one
• A draft will be submitted to the WG soon
• Please review it !!

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IPR ISSUES (Cisco)

• We found the following statement from Robert
  Barr, Cisco at
• http//www.in-addr.de/pipermail/lvs-users/2001-No
  vember/004135.html
• "Cisco will not assert any patent claims against
  anyone for an implementation of IETF standard for
  VRRP unless a patent claim is asserted against
  Cisco, in which event Cisco reserves the right to
  assert patent claims defensively. If a licensee
  would prefer a royalty-bearing license, we would
  make one available."
• Robert confirmed this statement in an email again
  on December 18, 2002
• That is our current position.

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IPR Issues (IBM)

• No answer has been received from IBM yet !!

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ARE WE INTERESTED IN..

• IPsec AH Security for VRRP draft ?
• available at
• http//www.keepalived.org/draft-ietf-vrrp-ipsecah-
  spec-00.txt
• Removing Priority value 0 (hold the election now)
  option ?
• Issues and Arguments document ?
• Anything else ?

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Thank You