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Title: Describe the effect upon the laboratory of a the warm vs' cold decision b choice of site


1
Describe the effect upon the laboratory of a)
the warm vs. cold decision b) choice of site
  • Norbert Holtkamp
  • 6/29/2004
  • Disclaimer This assessment is not based on
    physics, engineering or other sciences. It is
    largely a personal assessment taking into account
    what the lab directors and other proponents have
    said. It is a summary of what became obvious, and
    an attempt to provide information to judge which
    technology choice would do the least harm across
    the board.

2
DESY Impact on the Laboratory Cold
  • LC would directly profit from XFEL 10 prototype
    experience with 180FTEs working on this
    technology (see table)
  • Official
  • More resources are necessary (but where do they
    come from since experts needed)
  • Timescale fits with XFEL schedule since LC will
    take longer.
  • Unofficial
  • Cold decision will drain resources much needed
    for XFEL. (Threat to DESY)
  • Accel Div can not support both activities
    successfully
  • ?can see efffect LC group has 2 members at DESY
  • Boost morale of HEP at DESY since there is no HEP
    future project aft 07.
  • Leverage for DESY to reconsider recommendation
    from German gov.
  • Integrates well with the FRP6 programs under way
    from European union on SRF (CARE)

3
DESY Impact on the Laboratory warm
  • More resources are needed in this case too.
  • DESY Accel Div contribution is minimized and
    focused on XFEL
  • Detector and physics effort will be main
    contribution and the remaining HEP branch _at_ DESY
    after 07.
  • Integrates well with the FRP6 program from EU for
    the Detector and physics part (Eurotev only).
  • Collaboration with CERN will be more favorable
    (E. Elsen, coordinator for Eurotev at DESY)

4
DESY as a site
  • Makes sense only if cold because of ground
    motion limitations. Warm machine will not work at
    DESY.
  • Planning for 500/800 GeV is done. Probably the
    fastest track to LC in that energy range.
  • planfeststellungsverfahren is done.
  • Engineering layout done
  • Environmental impact studies done
  • Inter-government agreement between states in
    Germany signed
  • BUT German government has chosen N O T to bid
    for site _at_ Hamburg for the time being. so
    its a mute point until this can be reversed.
    There is no plan for accelerator based HEP after
    07 in Germany at this point.
  • Cold and DESY is little risk for successful
    construction
  • Warm and DESY, no way but CERN would be more
    positive
  • Warm and other site means little support from
    DESY, but CERN would be more positive.
  • Cold and other site is helpful since 10
    prototype is underway and technology can be
    transferred with much to offer from DESY.

5
KEK Impact on the Laboratory
  • Warm or cold, the ITER decision and JPARC and its
    recent extensions will determine to a much larger
    extent how much and how deeply Japan can get
    involved in a LC.
  • JPARC schedule is consistent with more
    conservative LC schedule, but inconsistent with
    the communities plan (Totsuka san ..might
    loose support for LC if decision is not
    soon(2009)
  • As other projects roll off, it is intended to
    utilize these resources for LC, if LC comes in
    time.

6
KEK Impact on the Laboratory Warm
  • Would spark enthusiasm within KEK (and SLAC), but
    not so many other places.
  • KEK would have to do much of the remaining
    technical RD (or SLAC), since there is no other
    labs with expertise in warm x-band rf.
  • Aligns industrialization effort with technology
    choice. Right now almost only x-band technology
    is transferred (apart from klystron for TESLA).
    LC Forum also supports warm.
  • KEK would keep the close tie to SLAC.
  • CERN could be attracted more easy.
  • Much of the expertise in Korea and China is in
    warm technology and can be utilized.
  • The conflict between c-band and x-band will
    remain.
  • Pretty much business like usual.

7
KEK Impact on the Laboratory cold
  • Lab management will have difficulties to support
    this decision
  • Justification to government agency for supporting
    warm for gt10y would have to be made.
  • Significant manpower would have to move from
    x-band technology to cold. Also true for much of
    the infrastructure bought at KEK (see
    structures).
  • KEK would have to redefine its position within
    the cold LC community rather than with SLAC and
    the continued focus on warm.
  • Totsuka san would have to do a lot of convincing
    to have people move to a cold LC rather then on
    something else in HEP (muon collider, high
    intensity proton beams etc)

8
KEK Impact on the Laboratory Site
  • Site decision is very important to Japanese HEP
    community. Probably even more so then technology.
    ACFA see LC as next big HEP project and the Asian
    region as its natural location.
  • An off shore LC would certainly have Japanese HEP
    look very soon for other opportunities in Japan
    and probably attract a large workforce and
    funding, which turns it away from the LC.
  • ASIA/ KEK would have a fully international HEP
    Laboratory
  • KEK itself as a site is impossible, which is
    recognized by everybody.
  • Technical possible to build cold or warm under
    Japanese ground conditions, but locations might
    be remote.

9
SLAC Impact on the Laboratory
  • Independent of technology, SLAC has the majority
    of the expertise to operate a LC. This is a very
    different situation the in ee- storage rings or
    other colliders.
  • This is good since that leads to a very
    professional approach
  • It is bad since man y decision are based on the
    specific SLAC experience
  • SLAC/J.Dorfan is the only director that made a
    convincing argument that the lab wants to be
    involved in any case to pretty much the same
    extent but may be with different focal points.

10
SLAC Impact on the Laboratory Warm
  • Would spark enthusiasm within SLAC (and KEK), but
    not so many other places.
  • It would fuel SLACs arrogance of being right
    after all and it would show.
  • All available expertise would be brought to work
    immediately with a fast track to realization
    (provided there is no more technology hick ups
    during the coming RD)
  • SLAC would have to do much of the remaining
    technical RD (or KEK), since there is no other
    labs with this expertise. A lot of RD money
    would poor into SLAC for that reason(, but not
    into other places).
  • SLAC is more in a leadership position than in one
    of collaboration between equal partners.
  • Overall Things would pretty much go like they
    have been over the last 10 years.

11
SLAC Impact on the Laboratory Cold
  • It would show that for whatever reason ITRP
    disregards the proposal by the two strongest LC
    proponents to use their preferred technology.
  • Cold is a difficult sell at SLAC and people can
    not be forced to work on it. It will need force
    to push this at SLAC.
  • Would lead to an attempt to built a small scale
    LC on the campus with very high gradient rf _at_ 300
    GeV.
  • It would force SLAC into a equal partnership
    with other labs that have expertise in this area.
  • It would have an adverse affect on the KEK
    collaboration, since a decision has to be made to
    go with the ITRP recomm. or go with KEK to a warm
    LC.
  • It would significantly reduce warm rf RD at SLAC
    (and therefore in the US).
  • It would SLAC leave with a vast infrastructure of
    no use for anything (other than B.Siemans RD)
    and in position to defend why last 10 years DOE
    money was spend on it.

12
SLAC Impact on the Laboratory Site
  • SLAC itself as a site is impossible, which is
    recognized by everybody.
  • Technical possible to build cold or warm under CA
    ground conditions.
  • Cost of living, operations and traffic as well as
    environmental impact speaks against it.
  • A LC site close to SLAC would guarantee a larger
    workforce from SLAC on the LC (since nobody from
    SLAC wants to move out of the bay area See Fermi
    experience).
  • A LC site close to SLAC would make it more likely
    to be accepted by KEK and Japanese/Asian
    collaborators.

13
CERN Impact on all other Laboratories
  • DESY does not represent European vision of HEP
    alone
  • CERN cold
  • CERN will be very much against this, since it
    does not align with CERNs technology choice. LC
    in Europe, threatens CERN position as lead HEP
    lab in Europe. Building cold a CERN, is unlikely.
  • CERN warm
  • A warm linac will make CERNs participation more
    like since it fits CERNs goals.
  • A warm linac can not be build at DESY, which is
    good for CERN.
  • CERN present position is a devastating disaster
    for HEP community and ICFA. But unlikely to
    change.
  • It is hard to imagine how to get CERN on board
    for a near term LC, especially a cold one.

14
FERMI Impact on all other Laboratories
  • SLAC and its user community represent the smaller
    fraction of HEP in the US. FERMI represents the
    majority, it is therefore much more important to
    get FERMI on board than SLAC (bluntly said).
  • The 40 y history of mistrust makes it very
    difficult to have the Fermi community agree on
    technology that is so dominated by SLAC and its
    sole expertise.
  • Ultimately it is more important for FERMI to be
    the site than to have the technology. It is a
    very controversial topic though since not
    everybody believes that a LC will be built.
  • FERMI needs a future for the Lab afte the
    Tevatron
  • FERMI can not be forced in position of
    compliance. That will create a veto for the LC.
  • This was underestimated by SLAC and by others.
  • Fermi has the most obvious site
  • Fermi has the vast majority of the HEP employees.

15
Summary
  • Its no fun!!
  • It hasnt been for more than 10 years.
  • Either decision will have negative impacts on a
    set of laboratories and individuals.
  • If the decision is warm, cold RD will continues
  • If decision is cold warm RD will probably only
    be done at CERN
  • The two biggest proponents and hardest working
    labs on LC want warm.
  • The larger community consensus is behind cold.
  • Either way, someone will loose and thats the
    problem.
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