Title: Describe the effect upon the laboratory of a the warm vs' cold decision b choice of site
1Describe the effect upon the laboratory of a)
the warm vs. cold decision b) choice of site
- Norbert Holtkamp
- 6/29/2004
- Disclaimer This assessment is not based on
physics, engineering or other sciences. It is
largely a personal assessment taking into account
what the lab directors and other proponents have
said. It is a summary of what became obvious, and
an attempt to provide information to judge which
technology choice would do the least harm across
the board.
2DESY Impact on the Laboratory Cold
- LC would directly profit from XFEL 10 prototype
experience with 180FTEs working on this
technology (see table) - Official
- More resources are necessary (but where do they
come from since experts needed) - Timescale fits with XFEL schedule since LC will
take longer. - Unofficial
- Cold decision will drain resources much needed
for XFEL. (Threat to DESY) - Accel Div can not support both activities
successfully - ?can see efffect LC group has 2 members at DESY
- Boost morale of HEP at DESY since there is no HEP
future project aft 07. - Leverage for DESY to reconsider recommendation
from German gov. - Integrates well with the FRP6 programs under way
from European union on SRF (CARE)
3DESY Impact on the Laboratory warm
- More resources are needed in this case too.
- DESY Accel Div contribution is minimized and
focused on XFEL - Detector and physics effort will be main
contribution and the remaining HEP branch _at_ DESY
after 07. - Integrates well with the FRP6 program from EU for
the Detector and physics part (Eurotev only). - Collaboration with CERN will be more favorable
(E. Elsen, coordinator for Eurotev at DESY)
4DESY as a site
- Makes sense only if cold because of ground
motion limitations. Warm machine will not work at
DESY. - Planning for 500/800 GeV is done. Probably the
fastest track to LC in that energy range. - planfeststellungsverfahren is done.
- Engineering layout done
- Environmental impact studies done
- Inter-government agreement between states in
Germany signed - BUT German government has chosen N O T to bid
for site _at_ Hamburg for the time being. so
its a mute point until this can be reversed.
There is no plan for accelerator based HEP after
07 in Germany at this point. - Cold and DESY is little risk for successful
construction - Warm and DESY, no way but CERN would be more
positive - Warm and other site means little support from
DESY, but CERN would be more positive. - Cold and other site is helpful since 10
prototype is underway and technology can be
transferred with much to offer from DESY.
5KEK Impact on the Laboratory
- Warm or cold, the ITER decision and JPARC and its
recent extensions will determine to a much larger
extent how much and how deeply Japan can get
involved in a LC. - JPARC schedule is consistent with more
conservative LC schedule, but inconsistent with
the communities plan (Totsuka san ..might
loose support for LC if decision is not
soon(2009) - As other projects roll off, it is intended to
utilize these resources for LC, if LC comes in
time. -
6KEK Impact on the Laboratory Warm
- Would spark enthusiasm within KEK (and SLAC), but
not so many other places. - KEK would have to do much of the remaining
technical RD (or SLAC), since there is no other
labs with expertise in warm x-band rf. - Aligns industrialization effort with technology
choice. Right now almost only x-band technology
is transferred (apart from klystron for TESLA).
LC Forum also supports warm. - KEK would keep the close tie to SLAC.
- CERN could be attracted more easy.
- Much of the expertise in Korea and China is in
warm technology and can be utilized. - The conflict between c-band and x-band will
remain. - Pretty much business like usual.
7KEK Impact on the Laboratory cold
- Lab management will have difficulties to support
this decision - Justification to government agency for supporting
warm for gt10y would have to be made. - Significant manpower would have to move from
x-band technology to cold. Also true for much of
the infrastructure bought at KEK (see
structures). - KEK would have to redefine its position within
the cold LC community rather than with SLAC and
the continued focus on warm. - Totsuka san would have to do a lot of convincing
to have people move to a cold LC rather then on
something else in HEP (muon collider, high
intensity proton beams etc)
8KEK Impact on the Laboratory Site
- Site decision is very important to Japanese HEP
community. Probably even more so then technology.
ACFA see LC as next big HEP project and the Asian
region as its natural location. - An off shore LC would certainly have Japanese HEP
look very soon for other opportunities in Japan
and probably attract a large workforce and
funding, which turns it away from the LC. - ASIA/ KEK would have a fully international HEP
Laboratory - KEK itself as a site is impossible, which is
recognized by everybody. - Technical possible to build cold or warm under
Japanese ground conditions, but locations might
be remote.
9SLAC Impact on the Laboratory
- Independent of technology, SLAC has the majority
of the expertise to operate a LC. This is a very
different situation the in ee- storage rings or
other colliders. - This is good since that leads to a very
professional approach - It is bad since man y decision are based on the
specific SLAC experience - SLAC/J.Dorfan is the only director that made a
convincing argument that the lab wants to be
involved in any case to pretty much the same
extent but may be with different focal points.
10SLAC Impact on the Laboratory Warm
- Would spark enthusiasm within SLAC (and KEK), but
not so many other places. - It would fuel SLACs arrogance of being right
after all and it would show. - All available expertise would be brought to work
immediately with a fast track to realization
(provided there is no more technology hick ups
during the coming RD) - SLAC would have to do much of the remaining
technical RD (or KEK), since there is no other
labs with this expertise. A lot of RD money
would poor into SLAC for that reason(, but not
into other places). - SLAC is more in a leadership position than in one
of collaboration between equal partners. - Overall Things would pretty much go like they
have been over the last 10 years.
11SLAC Impact on the Laboratory Cold
- It would show that for whatever reason ITRP
disregards the proposal by the two strongest LC
proponents to use their preferred technology. - Cold is a difficult sell at SLAC and people can
not be forced to work on it. It will need force
to push this at SLAC. - Would lead to an attempt to built a small scale
LC on the campus with very high gradient rf _at_ 300
GeV. - It would force SLAC into a equal partnership
with other labs that have expertise in this area. - It would have an adverse affect on the KEK
collaboration, since a decision has to be made to
go with the ITRP recomm. or go with KEK to a warm
LC. - It would significantly reduce warm rf RD at SLAC
(and therefore in the US). - It would SLAC leave with a vast infrastructure of
no use for anything (other than B.Siemans RD)
and in position to defend why last 10 years DOE
money was spend on it.
12SLAC Impact on the Laboratory Site
- SLAC itself as a site is impossible, which is
recognized by everybody. - Technical possible to build cold or warm under CA
ground conditions. - Cost of living, operations and traffic as well as
environmental impact speaks against it. - A LC site close to SLAC would guarantee a larger
workforce from SLAC on the LC (since nobody from
SLAC wants to move out of the bay area See Fermi
experience). - A LC site close to SLAC would make it more likely
to be accepted by KEK and Japanese/Asian
collaborators.
13CERN Impact on all other Laboratories
- DESY does not represent European vision of HEP
alone - CERN cold
- CERN will be very much against this, since it
does not align with CERNs technology choice. LC
in Europe, threatens CERN position as lead HEP
lab in Europe. Building cold a CERN, is unlikely. - CERN warm
- A warm linac will make CERNs participation more
like since it fits CERNs goals. - A warm linac can not be build at DESY, which is
good for CERN. - CERN present position is a devastating disaster
for HEP community and ICFA. But unlikely to
change. - It is hard to imagine how to get CERN on board
for a near term LC, especially a cold one.
14FERMI Impact on all other Laboratories
- SLAC and its user community represent the smaller
fraction of HEP in the US. FERMI represents the
majority, it is therefore much more important to
get FERMI on board than SLAC (bluntly said). - The 40 y history of mistrust makes it very
difficult to have the Fermi community agree on
technology that is so dominated by SLAC and its
sole expertise. - Ultimately it is more important for FERMI to be
the site than to have the technology. It is a
very controversial topic though since not
everybody believes that a LC will be built. - FERMI needs a future for the Lab afte the
Tevatron - FERMI can not be forced in position of
compliance. That will create a veto for the LC. - This was underestimated by SLAC and by others.
- Fermi has the most obvious site
- Fermi has the vast majority of the HEP employees.
15Summary
- Its no fun!!
- It hasnt been for more than 10 years.
- Either decision will have negative impacts on a
set of laboratories and individuals. - If the decision is warm, cold RD will continues
- If decision is cold warm RD will probably only
be done at CERN - The two biggest proponents and hardest working
labs on LC want warm. - The larger community consensus is behind cold.
- Either way, someone will loose and thats the
problem.