Title: Conventions for CPV in EvtGen and PVVfit: complex stuff
1Conventions for CPV in EvtGen and
PVVfitcomplex stuff
- Tristan du Pree, Nikhef
- 25 October, TPTM
2Introduction
- Cause of this talk mailing list discussion
- So today
- Signs names of frames phis
- Formulas with all conventions
- Goal one convention documentation
- For PVVfit model and EvtGen
3Unitarity relations
Bd
Bs
Same under d?s
4Root of confusion about fs
In SM both positive
Related by d?s and complex conjugation
Not same scale
5NB
- Sometimes ßs different
- Sometimes conjugated
- Sometimes fake ßs/?/df
- e.g. ?TDR ßs
- Different matrix product including Vts defines
different angle - Only for show
- Physically not sensible/exact
- But to first order the same
Footnote from Silva (hep-ph/0410351)
6JpsiPhi vs JpsiK
2nd terms
1st terms
3rd term
7fs vs fd
- is phase Bbar-gtB mixing
- So
8So whats (almost) in EvtGen?Amplitudes
- In (next version?) EvtGen
For Bbar ?-1
beta 0.02 phi_s -0.04
9Latest improvements EvtPVVCPLH
- Repaired sign beta_s in formula
- Now input beta_s0.02 gives phi_s-0.04
- Corrected some higher order terms
- Now consistent with formulas from this talk
- Fit with PVVfit (next slide)
- Signs strong phases correct
- Reconstruction angles consistent with fit
- Sign phis correct (correction EvtGen)
- Old fit/data in backup, opposite oscillation
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11Comparing old new
- New
- Old
- So sign beta wrong
- Underestimated half of the terms by factor
ei?Gt - In amplitudes squared
- sinfs terms times e?Gt
- cosfs terms not existing
- Bottom line
- old version correct for leading orders of ?G and
fs
12PVVFit Amplitudes squared
- Actual formulae
- As programmed in PVVfit
- Using phi_q is more symmetric
Only difference JpsiPhi vs JpsiK
dGamma.setVal(0)
13Frames
- Very good explanation TJampens thesis
- https//oraweb.slac.stanford.edu/pls/slacquery/BAB
AR_DOCUMENTS.DetailedIndex?P_BP_ID3629 - Conventions Dunietz vs TJampens
- Both right handed
- Only difference definition of x-axis
14CLEO (Dunietz et al)
15Babar/DESY (TJampens)
16Angular functions
Dunietz et al
-
- Of course reconstruct and fit in same frame
- Advice from experience ?
Transformations Dunietz ?Tjampens
17Our other conventions
- ?m mH-mL
- ?G GL - GH gt 0
- Names angles cpsi, ctheta, phi
- Easier to program with
- Consistent with Dunietz names
- Name CP-phase phi_q (qs,d)
- Since same sign JpsiPhi and JpsiK easier to
generalize software - Note actually you fit /-2beta(_s)
18Final formulae in PVVfit
- Frame functions two slides back
- Amplitude functions
JpsiK(Kspi0) dG0 JpsiK(Kpi-) also phiq0
19Usable notes
- Total explanation
- Thesis TJampens
- Very good, but not convention discussed today
- Amplitudes
- 2001 Dunietz for amplitudes (all orders)
- Angular functions
- E.g. 1995/1998 Dunietz
- But watch out for df approximation in amplitudes
and negative dG convention - Kmumu transversity
- Ahmed Ali Salim Safir (DESY Tjampens
convention)
20References
- JpsiK
- Babar
- Hep-ex/0107049
- Hep-ex/0411016
- Thesis TJampens
- JpsiPhi
- Dunietz
- hep-ph/9511363
- hep-ph/9804253
- hep-ph/0012219
- Clarke/McClean/Osorio
- LHCb/internal/lhcb-2007-101
- Ball et al
- Hep-ph/0003238
- Kmumu
- DESY
- hep-ph/0205254
TJampens convention
Angle formulas (but be careful)
Full time-dependent amplitudes
Full time-dep. amplitude functions. (But current
version TJampens-frame and Dunietz-formulas)
Full time dep, but different frame
TJampens convention
21Be careful
- In general definitions of ßs/?/df can differ
- Babar notes/articles follow Tjampens angle
convention - Babar physics book (p218)
- angular functions contain sign typos
- Dunietz et al 98
Amplitudes in terms of their
df2ßs, only up to first order. Very confusing
convention anyway. - Dunietz et al 95
- ?G GH GL lt 0
- Ball et al angles angular functions different
- Overall watch out frame conventions
- f ? f, ?tr ? ?
22Benefit of chatroom
- One document this talk
- Hopefully one convention
- But maybe in near future TJampens-LHCb article?
23Conclusions
- It is very important to know the used conventions
- Especially watch out for
- Definition of ßs
- Definition of the frames
- We have this talk for JpsiX with
- All formulas
- All the conventions
- The formulas of PVVFit and EvtGen
- EvtGen improved
- Sign phi_s higher order terms
24BACKUP
25Signs?
20K events
Old EvtGen wrong sign phis Wrong reconstruction
angles wrong signs strong phases
26Beta vs beta_s
- So sign difference in phases ß and ßs
- Since by construction ß and ßs gt 0
- BTW
- arg(Vtd) -ß
- arg(Vts) ßs p
- beta_s0.02
27Code PVVFit
- ERASMUS???
- PhysFit/PVVFit?