Title: DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT The networking situation in South East Europe
1DRAFT DRAFT DRAFTThe networking situationin
South East Europe
- David Williams
- CERN, also President TERENA
- ICFA-SCIC meeting, CERN
- 12 July 2002
2Health warning
- This presentation is a DRAFT
- It contains personal judgments, which are hard to
substantiate, in several places - Please do not circulate it widely
- It will need lots of checking and revision before
it is suitable for wider circulation - Other people know far more than I do about many
of the countries and issues that are mentioned.
I would be grateful to receive good updates of
those areas (especially as corrections or as new
PowerPoint slides) mailtoDavid.Williams_at_cern.ch
3An excellent resource!
- After doing quite a lot of work to prepare these
slides I came across a very interesting site,
entitled Scientific Collaboration and Networking
in South-Eastern Europe www.rdg.ac.uk/ems97pc/se
europe.html which I encourage readers to explore. - The author is Dr. Patrick Carmichael, University
of Reading
4General background
5Politics
- This is not a history lesson, and indeed deciding
which countries are in or out of the Balkans
is probably a big issue for some people. Even
calling the area the Balkans is no longer PC,
with the term South East Europe (SEE) being much
preferred. - Suffice it to say that the area has a
centuries-long background as the area where
Islam, Catholicism and Orthodoxy met and
interacted. - For the last 15 years there have been truly
terrible conflicts in several of the countries. - While there is significant political progress in
some countries, ethnic conflicts, or even
inter-clan fights for power, are still part of
the daily reality in others.
6Which countries?
- The following countries are at the heart of the
Balkans, and info on EU relations with them can
be accessed via these URLs - Albania europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/see/
albania/index.htm - Bosnia Herzegovina europa.eu.int/comm/external_r
elations/see/bosnie_herze/index.htm - Croatia europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/see/
croatia/index.htm - Federal Republic of Yugoslavia europa.eu.int/comm/
external_relations/see/fry/index.htm - Kosovo europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/see/f
ry/kosovo/index.htm - Republic of Montenegro europa.eu.int/comm/external
_relations/see/fry/montenegro/index.htm - Republic of Serbia europa.eu.int/comm/external_rel
ations/see/fry/serbia/index.htm - The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/see/fyrom/in
dex.htm
7Neighbours
- In regional discussions it is not unusual to see
the involvement of- - Bulgaria
- Romania
- Hungary
- Greece
- and even Turkey
8Computer networks
- Much international aid is devoted to rebuilding
the infrastructure in the tentatively pacified
countries. - People normally mean roads and electric power
when they talk of infrastructure - But people in this audience understand the
importance of computer networking as a
fundamental part of modern society required
both for participating in the worldwide research
community and in modern commerce. - Obviously (to me) a fundamental aspect of
building a democratic society.
9UNESCO-ROSTE
- UNESCO (godfather of CERN) has an office in
Venice, their Regional Bureau for Science in
Europe (ROSTE) unesco.dyndns.org - H. Schopper is the head of their Scientific
Council - They have been active on the topic of Rebuilding
Scientific Cooperation in South East Europe
since early 2000 (maybe even earlier) - They held a workshop in Venice on 24-27 March
2001, and the Proceedings can be consulted at
unesco.dyndns.org/article/articleview/82/1/113/ - They also held a Ministerial Conference in Paris
on 24 October 2001. See unesco.dyndns.org/article
/articleview/77/1/119/ and also
unesco.dyndns.org/filemanager/filedownload/phpYm7b
kV/DECLENG.pdf - There were plans to hold a Donors Conference
soon, and this is perhaps the High-Level
Conference on Strengthening Cooperation in
South-East Europe, which will be held in Paris on
4-5 April 2002??
10Other players
- At the UNESCO Web site erc.unesco.org/SEEConferenc
e/partners.htm there is a list of organisations
working to improve the situation in the Balkans.
This includes- - The Stability Pact www.stabilitypact.org/
- The European Commission europa.eu.int/comm/externa
l_relations/see/ - Council of Europe www.coe.int/portalT.asp
- UNDP www.undp.org/rbec/programmes/
- World Bank lnweb18.worldbank.org/eca/eca.nsf
- OSCE www.osce.org
- OECD www.oecd.org
- EBRD www.ebrd.org
- UNICEF Â www.unicef.org
11Background oncomputer networking
12Information gathering
- As part of the preparation of the UNESCO studies
CERN was involved in various information
gathering exercises in 2001. - Short visits, which aimed to gather information
about both the general state of academia and
about computer networking for the research and
education communities, were made to BG, RO, BH, - This work was coordinated by the late Frans Heyn,
and we have been unable to fully publish it.
13Some basic information
- For most of Western Europe, TERENA has recently
started publishing its compendium
www.terena.nl/compendium. Some of the Balkan
countries are TERENA members, and information
about their computer networks is available there. - There is some additional information available in
the CEEnet database www.ceenet.org/database/
14The three-level model
- It is vital to remember that computer networking
for the research and education communities
depends on three levels of infrastructure and
service - The campus
- The national connections
- The international connections
- Congestion at any one point will cause the
overall service seen by the end-user to be poor
15eSEEurope
- There is a reference on the Stability pact Web
site to the eSEEurope initiative (earlier
eBalkans). - There was a meeting if this body in Thessaloniki
on 28-30 June 2001. A report is available at
www.ekt.gr/news/events/ekt/2001-06-29/esee/Thelin-
sweden-esee.doc - There was a further meeting in Stockholm on 6
December 2001, and the report is at
cgi.eseeurope.org/documents/Report_Stockholm_Semin
ar_6_Dec202001_eSEEurope.doc - I have no detailed knowledge whether it will lead
to anything. From a superficial reading this is
mainly about policy, and not about providing
services on the ground.
16Research networking and commercial ISPs
- Research networking has a complex (more-or-less
symbiotic) relationship with the world of the
commercial ISPs. - Telecoms monopolies have traditionally hindered
progress both for the commercial Internet, and
for research networking, because they only
provided bandwidth at very high prices. - EU candidate countries are required to adopt the
liberalised EU telecoms regime as part of the
process of preparing to join. - Sometimes the local politicians need to be
reminded why that is good for the national
economy! - But sometimes they also need to be reminded why
NRENs are good for them.
17SEEREN proposal
- A proposal was submitted to the EC, as an
Accompanying Measure (i.e. 100 funded), at end-
February 2002 for SEEREN. It is coordinated by
Prof Maglaris (GRNET), and has ICTDA (Bulgaria),
DANTE, HUNGARNET, RoEduNet and TERENA as
partners. The request is for funding of 1.25
Meuro over 12 months. It is my personal guess
(and nothing more) that it is likely to be
approved, hopefully close to the requested level
of funding. - The SEEREN project aims at easing the digital
divide that still separates most of the South
Eastern European countries from the developed
world, by instigating the establishment of a
proper research and educational networking
environment in the region. To that end, the
National Research Education Networks (NRENs) of
Albania, Bosnia Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Former
Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Greece, Romania
and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia will be
linked via medium speed interconnections amongst
them and to the major GEANT Points of Presence in
this area. This initiative will greatly benefit
from the partnership with the NREN of Hungary, a
major GEANT node and TERENA-DANTE experience. In
this way, SEEREN will provide a platform for the
cooperation of the scientific educational
communities of EU Member States with Newly
Associated Countries and 3rd Countries.
18SEEREN assessment of present status
- The current situation in terms of connectivity
between the NRENs of the SE Europe region is
extremely limited. If we exclude the current
GEANT PoP connections, noticeable terrestrial
links include the 2 Mbps severely congested line
between Athens and Belgrade and the 5.2 Mbps line
between Athens and Sofia. According to trace
files of the management system, these lines are
congested and need an upgrade. The regional
network will incur additional loads to GEANT,
since new NRENs will acquire access to the
pan-European backbone. However, given the current
status of new NRENs and their limited internal
capacities, the expected additional load to GEANT
will be quite low. - This is indicated in the following table based on
initial predictions concerning regional
connectivity that will be developed through the
SEEREN project. Notice, that the NRENs of Romania
and Bulgaria are already GEANT members the
former has a 34 Mbps connection to the Budapest
GEANT PoP, while Bulgaria is currently being
served via a 5.2 Mbps line to GRNET.
19Three slides from GRNET, concerning their
sponsorship of interconnection initiatives in the
Balkansfrom a presentation by Tryfon Chiotis
and Dimitra Kotsokali (15 February 2002, in
Athens)I believe that SEEREN proposal (above)
and the Balkan Regional Network (next) are the
same thing
20Balkan Regional Network
300.000 /year Both ends
200.000 /year One end
21Education Research Network SE Europe
- MoU October 2000 (Salonika, InfoSystem)
- Participants INIMA (AL), RoEduNet (RO), RNC
(RO), UNICOM-B (BU), MARNET (FYROM), GRNET (GR) - MoU February 2001 (Athens)
- Participants AMREJ (YO), GRNET (GR)
- MoU June 2001 (Athens)
- Participants ULAKBIM (TR), GRNET (GR)
22GRNET sponsored Balkan interconnection initiatives
- Connection of Sofia, Belgrad
- Organization of Workshops
- MoUs
- Human resources (visits, research work)
- Contribution to NRENs setup in terms of
staffing, procedures, etc.
23SINSEE
- Scientific Information Network for SEE
- Several participants/sponsors
- MPI for Physics, Munich (Werner Heisenberg
Institut) - Cisco
- Telindus
- Serbian Ministry of Science, Tech and Devt
- UCC at Belgrade, Nis and Novi Sad
- BMBF, DFN, German Commission for UNESCO
- There is a 4-page description at
www.wigv.de/SINSEE_overview_0302.pdf
24Workshop on Regionalisationof NRENs in SEE
- Sofia 11/12 May 2002
- Sponsored by BMBF
- NORDUnet model?
- Cross-border links
- There is a 3 page communique at
cern.ch/David.Williams/public/communique_work_sofi
a_1205.doc
25UNESCO
- I have recently seen a satellite proposal, ESA
and Alcatel? - I think that its still confidential at the moment
26A quick overview (probably over-simplified) of
the various national situations
- At the meeting Olivier Martin made the good
suggestion that for each country we should try to
specify the extent to which the NREN carries
commodity as well as research traffic. We take
this as a goal for a future version.
27Romania (1/2)
- EU accession state - europa.eu.int/comm/enlargemen
t/romania/ - Potentially interested in CERN membership
- Two academic networks?
- RoEduNet oriented to universities www.roedu.net
runs the GEANT connection - RNC oriented to RD activities www.rnc.ro is the
TERENA and CEEnet member - Some indications that they might soon be merged
- Status in March 2002(?) given on next slide from
RoEduNet (I think) 34 Mbps internal links and
155 Mbps GEANT connection. - Overall networking struggling but improving?
28GEANT 155Mbps
29Bulgaria
- EU accession state - europa.eu.int/comm/enlargemen
t/bulgaria/ - CERN member
- Not a TERENA member
- GEANT link (In principle 34 Mbps access speed,
but only 5.2 Mbps via Athens available today?)
will presumably be upgraded as part of SEEREN, if
that goes ahead. - Academic network
- Was recently (in a government change?) disbanded
and then recreated as ICT Development Agency
(ICTDA), which is an SEEREN participant - See www.undp.bg/ict4dev/
- Overall networking struggling but improving?
30Albania
- Very tough internal situation
- Not an EU accession state
- Not a CERN member
- Not a TERENA member
- No GEANT link, but would connect to SEEREN
- Academic network
- INIMA See www.soros.al/anet/
- Overall networking pretty tough conditions?
31Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Still considerable internal political problems
- Not an EU accession state, CERN member, or TERENA
member - No GEANT link but would connect to SEEREN
- Academic network
- BiHarnet See www.biharnet.ba, but hard to get
connected - From CEEnet database at end 1998-
- Five cities connected by leased lines (speed
unknown) Three foreign links-- 2 Mbps leased
line to Slovenia-- 128k satellite link to
Austria-- 128k satellite link to Holland - Overall networking very very hard?
32Croatia
- Not an EU accession state or CERN member
- TERENA and CEEnet member
- GEANT link 155 Mbps access to a PoP which is
dual-connected at 622 Mbps to the GEANT core - Academic network
- CARnet See www.carnet.hr/index_eng.html
- Overall networking rather reasonable?
33Serbia/Yugoslavia
- Not an EU accession state
- Not a CERN or TERENA member
- GEANT link (2 Mbps via Athens), presumably will
be upgraded as part of SEEREN - Academic network
- AMREJ www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/AMREJ/index.htm but no
English version? - Overall networking heavily overloaded??
34Kosovo
- Not an easy political situation (formally still
part of FRY??) - Not an EU accession state, CERN member, nor
TERENA member - No GEANT link
- Academic network
- Status unknown
- Overall networking presumably almost none?
35Macedonia (FYROM)
- Not an EU accession state nor CERN member
- Long-standing and active TERENA (Prof Margita
Kon-Popovska) and CEEnet member (Prof Oliver
Popov) - No GEANT link but would connect to SEEREN
- Academic network
- MARNET no known URL, but see
www.ceenet.org/Macedonia.html - Present international connectivity probably 3
Mbps (1 Mbps via Macedonian Telecom and 2 Mbps
via Soros Open Society Institute) - Cost of telecoms is very very high
(monopoly-like) - Overall networking extremely difficult
36Surrounding countriesGreece, Turkey, Hungary
37Greece
- Has played a major role in SEE network
development - People in SEEurope find the prices of the
dominant regional carrier (OTE, Greek Telecom)
to be very high presumably there is not much
competition - EU, CERN and TERENA member
- GEANT link GRNET has a 1.2 Gbps connection to
the Athens PoP, which is dual connected to the
core at 622 Mbps. - Academic network
- GRNET See www.grnet.gr/index_en.html
- Good advanced work on optical networking
- Overall networking excellent
38Hungary
- Important partner in SEEREN
- EU accession state, CERN and TERENA member
- Important GEANT node HUNGARNET has a 2.5 Gbps
access speed to the Budapest PoP, which is dual
connected to the core at 2.5 Gbps, and connects
at lower speed links to Croatia (622), and
Romania and Slovenia. - Academic network
- HUNGARNET See www.hungarnet.hu/indexeng.html
- Les Cottrells monitoring always shows rather
heavy congestion on many routes but unclear to
me where that comes from - Overall networking reasonable?
39Turkey
- EU candidate - europa.eu.int/comm/enlargement/turk
ey/ - CERN observer
- TERENA member
- No GEANT link
- Academic network
- ULAKBIM See www.ulakbim.gov.tr/english/
- High telecoms costs act as brake on faster
progress? - Overall networking overloaded?