Common Sense Questions A Church of Christ Preacher Cannot Answer

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Common Sense Questions A Church of Christ
Preacher Cannot Answer?
simple answers
lesson 2

• So says David Martin of the so-called Rock Solid
  Baptist Church
• Yet he is not solid enough to allow me to answer
  his questions before his people

David Martin
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Martins Unanswerable Questions

• If a "Church of Christ" elder refuses to baptize
  me, will I be lost until I can find one who will?
  Do I need Jesus AND a Campbellite "preacher" in
  order to be saved? If I do, then Jesus Christ is
  not the only Mediator (1 Tim. 25) and the Holy
  Spirit is not the only Administrator (1 Cor.
  1213) of salvation - the "Church of Christ"
  preacher is necessary to salvation for he is
  performing a saving act on me when he baptizes
  me! Is this not blasphemy against Jesus Christ
  and the Holy Ghost?

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Martins Unanswerable Questions

• If a "Church of Christ" elder refuses to baptize
  me, will I be lost until I can find one who will?
  Do I need Jesus AND a Campbellite "preacher" in
  order to be saved? If I do, then Jesus Christ is
  not the only Mediator (1 Tim. 25) and the Holy
  Spirit is not the only Administrator (1 Cor.
  1213) of salvation - the "Church of Christ"
  preacher is necessary to salvation for he is
  performing a saving act on me when he baptizes
  me! Is this not blasphemy against Jesus Christ
  and the Holy Ghost?

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Answer

• One does not need a church of Christ elder to
  baptize them
• Who has ever taught that you must be baptized by
  a Church of Christ elder except Baptist
  preachers?
• Jesus did not say, He who believes and is
  baptized by an elder shall be saved
• One is lost until they do what Jesus commanded
  regarding baptism (Mk. 1616)

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Martins Unanswerable Questions

• If a "Church of Christ" elder refuses to baptize
  me, will I be lost until I can find one who will?
  Do I need Jesus AND a Campbellite "preacher" in
  order to be saved? If I do, then Jesus Christ is
  not the only Mediator (1 Tim. 25) and the Holy
  Spirit is not the only Administrator (1 Cor.
  1213) of salvation - the "Church of Christ"
  preacher is necessary to salvation for he is
  performing a saving act on me when he baptizes
  me! Is this not blasphemy against Jesus Christ
  and the Holy Ghost?

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Answer

• if you charge one to be a Campbellite
• you MUST prove that what they teach, believe and
  practice began with a man called Campbell
• teaching baptism for salvation began with Christ
  (Mk. 1616)
• partaking of the Lords supper on the first day
  of the week began with Christ (Acts 207)
• giving of our means on the first day of week
  began with Christ (1 Cor. 161, 2)
• being a member of a church of Christ began with
  Christ (Rom. 1616)

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Martin needs to cite one item of faith that we
practice which began with Campbell!

• OTHERWISE
• his charge is empty!
• he is a false accuser/witness

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Martins Unanswerable Questions

• If a "Church of Christ" elder refuses to baptize
  me, will I be lost until I can find one who will?
  Do I need Jesus AND a Campbellite "preacher" in
  order to be saved? If I do, then Jesus Christ is
  not the only Mediator (1 Tim. 25) and the Holy
  Spirit is not the only Administrator (1 Cor.
  1213) of salvation - the "Church of Christ"
  preacher is necessary to salvation for he is
  performing a saving act on me when he baptizes
  me! Is this not blasphemy against Jesus Christ
  and the Holy Ghost?

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Answer

• Does Martin believe that preaching is essential
  to faith?
• For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall
  be saved. How then shall they call on Him in whom
  they have not believed? And how shall they
  believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And
  how shall they hear without a preacher? (Rom.
  1013, 14)
• calls is saved, believes is before calls, hears
  is before believes, preaching is before hears

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The Knife Cuts Both Ways!
if, then reasoning

• if charging that teaching baptism saves denies
  the mediatory office of Christ and replaces it
  with a man
• then teaching that preaching saves denies the
  mediatory office of Christ and replaces it with a
  man
• then teaching that man must do the believing
  denies the mediatory office of Christ and
  replaces it with a man (Jn. 824)

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The Knife Cuts Both Ways!
if, then reasoning

• HOWEVER, IF A PERSON CAN PREACH TO SAVE OTHERS
  WITHOUT USURPING THE MEDIATORY OFFICE OF CHRIST,
  THEN HE CAN ALSO BAPTIZE!

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Martins Unanswerable Questions

• If a "Church of Christ" elder refuses to baptize
  me, will I be lost until I can find one who will?
  Do I need Jesus AND a Campbellite "preacher" in
  order to be saved? If I do, then Jesus Christ is
  not the only Mediator (1 Tim. 25) and the Holy
  Spirit is not the only Administrator (1 Cor.
  1213) of salvation - the "Church of Christ"
  preacher is necessary to salvation for he is
  performing a saving act on me when he baptizes
  me! Is this not blasphemy against Jesus Christ
  and the Holy Ghost?

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Answer

• The Holy Spirit is not, never has been, and never
  will be the administrator of water baptism!
• he authorizes but does not administer water
  baptism

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Matthew 2818, 19

• Go therefore and make disciples of all the
  nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father
  and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching
  them to observe all things that I have commanded
  you. . .
• who is to go?
• who is to make disciples?
• who is to teach?
• who is to administer baptism?
• who authorizes such?

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Acts 838

• So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And
  both Philip and the eunuch went down into the
  water, and he baptized him
• who baptized him?
• was Philip negating the mediatory office of
  Christ?

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1 Corinthians 1213

• For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one
  bodywhether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or
  freeand have all been made to drink into one
  Spirit.
• this baptism is into one body (the church, see
  Eph. 122, 23)
• Baptists already believe water baptism puts one
  into the church
• why can they not see that this is therefore water
  baptism?

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TWO many baptisms

• Baptists admit that there is a baptism in water
  into the church
• Baptists assert there is also a baptism
  administered by the Holy Spirit today which saves
  them
• TWO baptisms is ONE baptism too many
• one Lord, one faith, one baptism (Eph. 45)

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Martins Unanswerable Questions

• If the water pipes broke and the baptistry sic
  was bone dry, would my salvation have to wait
  until the plumber showed up? If I were to die
  before then, would I go to hell? If obedience to
  water baptism is the means of forgiveness of
  sins, then I would

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Answer

• Since becoming a Baptist requires water
  baptism, should the pipes break and the
  baptistery be bone dry would I have to wait to
  become a member until the plumber showed up?
• should the baptistery be bone dry one can go
  elsewhere to obey he who believes and is
  baptized shall be saved
• bathtub (provided it is big enough), pool, river,
  pond, lake, ocean

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Answer

• HOW ABOUT If the preacher lost his voice and
  could not teach an illiterate man, would he have
  to wait until the preachers voice was restored?
  If he were to die before then, would he go to
  hell? If hearing is the means to faith, then he
  would.
• shall we argue that preaching, hearing, and
  faith are therefore not essential to salvation?

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Answer

• If the illiterate infidel were to die before
  hearing and believing in Christ, he would be lost
• Therefore I said to you that you will die in
  your sins for if you do not believe that I am
  He, you will die in your sins (Jn. 824)
• if the believer were to die before he repented
  and was baptized, he would be lost
• Then Peter said to them, Repent, and let every
  one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus
  Christ for the remission of sins and you shall
  receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 238
  cf. Lk. 133)

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Martins Unanswerable Questions

• If my past sins are forgiven when I am baptized
  in water, and it is possible for me to "lose my
  salvation" and go to hell after being baptized,
  then wouldn't my best chance of going to heaven
  be to drown in the baptistry?!! - before I had a
  chance to sin so as to be lost again? If I wanted
  to be absolutely sure of heaven, isn't that my
  best opportunity?

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Note David Martins Style of Argumentation

• scenario based
• absent of scripture

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Drown in the Baptistery To Secure Salvation?

• such is not an accusation against baptism for
  salvation
• same argument could be framed against belief
  (the gospel and the gun)
• such is leveled at another biblical doctrine
  the ability to fall away
• Martin denies that a Christian can fall away
• God has not called us to kill ourselves, but to
  live for Him (1 Thess. 59, 10)

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Can One Lose Their Salvation?

• Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to
  the things we have heard, lest we drift away
  (Heb. 21)
• Martin says we cannot drift

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Can One Lose Their Salvation?

• Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an
  evil heart of unbelief in departing from the
  living God (Heb. 312)
• Martin says do not beware, you cannot depart!
• Therefore, since a promise remains of entering
  His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to
  have come short of it (Heb. 41)
• Martin says do not worry about it, you cannot
  come short of it!

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Can One Lose Their Salvation?

• Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest,
  lest anyone fall according to the same example of
  disobedience (Heb. 411)
• Martin says no need to worry, you cannot fall!

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Question

• Who is a man who says he knows Jesus but denies
  His word?
• Who is a man who says he loves the Holy Spirit
  but contradicts His word?
• But why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and do not
  do the things which I say? (Lk. 646)

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But he who heard and did nothing is like a man
who built a house on the earth without a
foundation, against which the stream beat
vehemently and immediately it fell. And the ruin
of that house was great (Lk. 649)
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1 John 44

• He who says, I know Him, and does not keep His
  commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in
  him
• a liar is someone who contradicts the
  command-ments of God while affirming that he
  knows God
• the truth is not in him