SwiNOG Swiss Network Operators Group

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SwiNOGSwiss Network Operators Group

• Founding Meeting

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Agenda

• Morning
• Welcome
• Original SwiNOG Proposal
• Other Proposals
• Swissix Initiative
• Discussion
• Agreement?

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Agenda

• Afternoon
• Peering Exchange Points in Switzerland
• Peering Policies
• TIX
• CERN
• Panel Discussion
• MPLS Experiences
• WLL
• CW Developments in Switzerland

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Some Points

• Language(s)
• Lunch
• Be interactive! Give your ideas!

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What is SwiNOG?

• Purpose?
• Scope?
• Organisation?

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Purpose?

• To improve the quality of the Swiss Internet
  by fostering co-operation among Service
  Providers active in Switzerland
• This raises some questions about what we mean by
  quality, Internet, co-operation, and
  Service Provider...

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Scope?

• Quality as perceived by who (end users?)
• Should we talk about IP-based services instead
  of Internet (VPNs?)
• Co-operation in what areas? Technical?,
  Operational?, Legal?, Political?
• What is a Service Provider? What about inputs
  from equipment vendors, Consultants, User Groups
  etc. etc.

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Organisation?

• Membership of individuals or companies
• Membership is formal or informal status
• Structured or unstructured
• Distributed or centralised resources
• Should it look like NANOG, IETF, RIPE

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Models?

• NANOG unstructured, informal membership of
  individuals
• IETF very structured, but informal membership of
  individuals
• RIPE semi-structured, semi-formal membership of
  companies
• Which model suits us best?

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A Proposal

• Goal
• To improve the quality of IP-based services
  available in Switzerland by fostering the
  exchange technical and operational ideas and
  information between individuals involved in IP
  service delivery.

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A Proposal

• Quality means feature-set, availability,
  performance, price. (If you want a better
  definition of Quality, go and read Zen and the
  Art of Motorcycle Maintenance)
• Dont get boxed-in by talking about the
  Internet (eg, what about future inter-provider
  MPLS-based VPNs?)

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A Proposal

• Scope
• Restrict it to information exchange
• Restrict it to technical and operational aspects
• Open to anyone with something to contribute

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A Proposal

• Organisation
• Membership of individuals, not companies
• Membership does not actually mean anything
• No Membership requirements, no fees
• Unstructured - no special positions or officials
• Distributed resources can be contributed by
  anyone, anytime

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A Proposal

• Decision-Making
• The only decisions to be made concern a resource
  that someone wants to contribute (a web page, a
  mailing list, organisation of a meeting...)
• Concensus at a meeting or on a mailing list about
  the format of the resource
• Peer pressure should be enough to make this work

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A Proposal

• Initial Resources and Activities
• One or more Web sites
• One or more mailing lists
• Meetings 2-3 times a year
• Common policies (peering, AUP)
• Other ideas?

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A Proposal

• SwiNOG should not be
• A political pressure group
• A legal entity
• But SwiNOG could be a forum for...
• discussing technical aspects of legal and
  political issues. For example, the technical
  aspects of implementing wire-tapping or content
  filtering laws.