Title: Reply to the initial set of comment and questions
1Reply to the initial set of comment and questions
- Thanks to all reviewers for your attention and
for your thoughtful and penetrating comments and
questions. We find them extremely helpful. - Some of the questions relate to issues already
studied or discussed and we wish to share our
thoughts on them, others -
- Many of the issues raised, as well as lot of
others, are addressed in FLARE notes
http//www-off-axis.fnal.gov/notes/notes.html.
See in particular materials from the FLARE
workshop, November 2004.
2Thermodynamics of the large argon tank
- Axi-symmetric model using ANSYS (Z. Tang. FLARE
note 31)
Liquid flow
Temperature gradient Note full scale 0.113oC
3Will argon freeze at the bottom of the tank due
to 5 atm pressure?
- No
- "Thermophysical Properties of fluids. Argon,
ethylene, parahydrogen, nitrogen, nitrogen
trifluoride and oxygen", in the Journal of
Physical and Chemical Reference Data, Volume 11,
1982, Supplement No. 1. - R. Schmitt freezing temperature at the
pressure at the tank bottom is 83.91oK. Actual
temperature is 87.3oK (FLARE note 31).
4Argon receiving, quality control, purification
systems
- Critical set of issues, clearly. More work needed
to have them under full control, clearly. Design
and specification process has started ( FLARE
notes 24,26,27,29) - Experimental effort on proving validity of the
underlying assumptions (purification power of
commercial filters, effect of impurities on the
electron lifetime, composition of impurities,
out-gassing rates, time dependence) underway (PAB
setup, Lab 3)
5Initial purification system
- Design throughput 200 t/day
- Oxygen load _at_1ppm delivered argon purity 200
g/day. May be more. Probably will be less.. - 24/7 operation for 9 month
6Main tank28 t/hour re-circulation and
purification system
- Phase I initial purge 100-200 tons of LAr ( 2
weeks) (vessel not evacuated) - Very rapid volume exchange (several hours) gt
rapid purification - Main issue very large oxygen capacity required
- Milestone achieve gt10 ms lifetime
before continuing the fill process - Phase II filling
- Purity level determined by balance of the
filtering vs. impurities introduced with the new
argon - Phase III operation
- Low rate of volume exchange (74 days)
- Removal (mainly) of the impurities introduced
with argon - Balance between purification and out-gassing
- In this phase out-gassing of tank walls, cables
and other materials becomes a visible factor,
although still very small. - Tank walls, materials, cables must not
contain quantities of slowly out-gassing
contaminants way beyond expectations.
7Wasnt electron lifetime of ICARUS T600 limited
by cables outgassing ??
- And doesnt this indicate that cables, walls,
etc.. may be a limiting factor for a very large
detector ??? - Not necessarily. Probably not. Observe rate of
lifetime improvement in ICARUS doubles at 40
days, compared to 20 days (outgassing 1/t)
8Signal size vs. drift distance vs. purity
- ICARUS signal 15,000 el, S/N6
- FLARE design signal 22,500 el, S/N8. Required
purity 3x10-11 (oxygen equivalent) - Significant margin. 2 m drift distance does not
offer major improvement
Noise level
9Additional tank for repairs ?
- What if argon in the main tank gets poisoned?
- Install more purification units. Piping must be
sized to allow for that - Once the tank is filled with Liquid Argon there
is no practical possibility of repairs of any
failed equipment inside. Frequent suggestion
build another tank to enable transfer of LAr,
access and repair. - It is an interesting suggestion requiring
detailed risk and cost-benefits analysis. - Design goal minimize the probability of a
requirement for access - Minimize the number of components inside the tank
- Robust, failure proof components and construction
techniques - In-situ testing to make failures very improbable
- Minimize the impact of an improbable failure(s)
a nuisance rather than a disaster (example
broken wire) - Likely outcome all of the above notwithstanding
some committee will insist on it. Observation
spare tank must match the size of the main
detector tank.
10Rightsizing of the tank (experiment?)
- ICARUS is building 1200 t detector. A leap to
50,000 tons is too ambitious. - One monolithic (sort of) detector is too risky.
Minimize the risk of unforeseen failures by
having several smaller detectors - You have to build prototypes to learn how to
build such a detector. They must be relevant to
the ultimate detector construction. - How does the detector cost scale with size? What
are the cost drivers? Constant costs vs.
volume-related. -
- A lot of wisdom and practical experience
speaking..
11Rightsizing of the experiment
- Technical solutions and construction techniques
are likely to similar for tanks above 10 kton.
Linear dimensions scale with cube root of the
volume (1.7 for 10/50 kton case). - Most of the site-related, argon receiving and
purification costs are almost independent of the
size. We are in process of understanding the
costs of smaller detectors. - Scenario I build four tanks (15 kton each), use
one as a holding tank. - Scenario II
- Begin with 15 kton tank as a Phase I of an
off-axis experiment. - Demonstrate the construction, purification,
performance. Determine the running conditions on
the surface and measure potential backgrounds for
proton decay and supernova detection. - Depending on the experience, proceed with Phase
II by building more of 15 kton detectors or jump
into 50 kton tank - Reduce the initial risk and provide clear path
towards the ultimate program of studies of
neutrino oscillations - Physics potential of the Phase I is at least
comparable to all other putative experiments
12Efficiency/background rejection
- What is it? How is it determined? How sure are
you? - Why is it so much better than OOPS (Other Options
Perceived to be Simpler)? - Are you planning to scan all events in the
experiment? - Can you fish out events out of the ocean of
cosmic ray-induced stuff? - When will you have fully automatic reconstruction
program ? -
13ne Appearance Experiment, A Primer
- At an off-axis position in the nominal NUMI beam,
if no oscillations - 100 ev/kton/year of nm CC events
- 30 ev/kton/year of NC events
- 0.5 ev/kton/year of ne CC events
- All of the above for neutrinos with energy 1.5,
3 GeV - For CC events the observed energy is that of the
interacting neutrino (DE/E 10) . - For NC events the observed energy of only 1/6
of events falls into the signal region.
Troublesome sample of NC events is thus 5
ev/kton/year - Turn on oscillations sample of nm CC events is
reduced from 100 to 10. The nt resulting from
oscillations do not CC interact (below
threshold). Some of the nm CC events may show up
as ne CC events - signal. - Physics potential of an experiment depends on the
number of identified signal ne CC events.
14Experimental Challenge
- Maximize Mxe
- Where
- M detector mass
- e efficiency for identification of ne CC events
- While maintaining hgt20/ e (to ensure NC bckg lt
0.5 ne CC bckg) - Where h is the rejection factor for NC events
with observed energy in the signal region - Why is it hard to achieve high e
- Y-distribution electron energies ranging from 0
to En - Low(er) electron energies emitted at large angles
- Why is it hard to achieve high h
- p0s produced in the hadronic shower, early
conversions and/or overlap with charged hadrons - Coherent p0 production
15Tools
- Neutrino event generator NEUGEN3. Derived from
Soudan 2 event generator. Used by MINOS
collaboration. Hugh Gallagher (Tufts) is the
principal author. - GEANT 3 detector simulation trace resulting
particles through a homogeneous volume of liquid
argon. Store energy deposits in thin slices. - LAIR (Liquid Argon Interactive Reconstruction),
derived from MAW (Robert Hatcher), derived from
PAW. - Project energy depositions onto the wire planes
- Bin the collected charge according to the
integration time - Ignore (for now) edge effects, assume signals
well above the electronics noise - Assume two track resolution (2 ms)
- Event display (2D, 3 projections)
- Interactive vertex reconstruction
- Interactive track/conversions reconstruction
- 3D event display (J. Kallenbach). Early stages of
development. - Prototypes of automatic event classification
software
16Early results (MSU, C. Bromberg)
- Algorithm for electron ID
- Charged track originating at the vertex and
developing into EM shower (at least 3 consecutive
hits with more that 1.5 MIP of ionization) - EM shower starting no earlier than 1.5 cm from
the vertex - Less than 4 photon conversions in the event
- Fine longitudinal and transverse granularity of
the detector of critical importance. - And the answer is
- e 82-6 (41 events out of 50
events accepted) - h gt 15 (66 C.L.) (35 events out of 35
rejected) - Work in progress. Quite some fun. Come and join,
room for major contributions
17(Double?) Blind Scan Analysis at Tufts
- A random collection of signal and backgrounds
events scanned by undergraduate students trained
to recognize electron neutrino interactions
(assign likelihood from 1 to 5) - Sample of electron candidates) (score gt 3)
scanned by experts-physicists (still flying
blind) - Several examples of events identifiable
(according to scanners) thanks to superior
granularity and resolution of the detector
18It is important to have a good detector
- High-y, low energy (170 MeV) electron easily
recognized by all scanners - ? Key to achieving high signal efficiency
19It is important to have a good detector
- Coherent p0 production
- Easily recognized as a conversion
- A key to keeping background low
-
20And the bottom line is
- ne identification efficiency, e76-11 (13 out
of 17) - NC rejection factor, h53 (3 out of 159)
- No nm CC backgruond (0 out od 17)
- It was the first try. More scanning underway.
Improvements expected. - Automated analysis software under construction.
- WARNING possibly addictive.