USDA Forest Service

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USDA Forest Service

• Fire and Aviation Management
• at
• USA-FEPP, Inc., Baltimore

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Todays Topics

• DoD Firefighter Property Program
• Legislative Actions
• Real-life Value of FEPP

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HR5408 Section 1706

• So how will firefighters obtain the DoD
  property they stand to get under HR 5408???

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Whats next?

• FS has proposed to DoD that well manage the
  program according to law and DoD decisions
• Well ask the State Foresters to manage the
  program in each State
• The FS will approve/disapprove
• Title?
• XcessXpress?

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Legislative Actions

• Aprils thoughts

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Legislative Actions

• Visit NPMAs Legislative Web Site
• http//www.npma.org/research.html
• Read your Emails from USA-FEPP board
• Write your elected representative personally
• Encourage your agency to respond
• Explore your power!

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Valuing FEPP

• Accurate reporting of the worth of our program.

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Who is your audience?

• Congress?
• The people who fund your program?
• The people who think you already have enough
  stuff?
• Your boss?
• Your bosss boss?

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Valuing Our FEPP Programs

• Original Acquisition Cost is JUST DATA
• FS has 1 Billion on on inventory
• Is its value really 1 Billion
• Or More?
• Or Less?

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Definition of Value

• According to MSN Encarta Dictionary, value may
  be defined as
• the worth, importance, or usefulness of something
  to somebody

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Ledger Value

• Depreciation
• The accountants reduce the value of property
• The on-the-ground value remains
• Depreciated vs. replacement value
• What is your house worth?

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Fair Market Value

• How much would you receive for your aircraft
  today in a negotiated sale?
• How much would YOU pay for it, were it not
  already in your possession?

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This is a TEST

• If a rehabbed FEPP fire truck costs est. 1/3 to
  1/2 of new truck to put into service
• And if the OAC is 50,000 but a new comparable
  truck costs 200,000, what is the VALUE of the
  FEPP truck?
• 50,000?
• 100,000
• 200,000?

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In my opinion

• 200,000, because thats what the taxpayers
  would have had to pay for that equipment, without
  FEPP.

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Yeah, but

• Equipment to be cannibalized?
• Nuts, bolts, sheet steel?
• Toilet paper? Motor oil?
• Im only talkiing about Inventoried Property.

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So. Whats the Proposal, already?

• When figuring the value of your program to the
  taxpayers of your State
• Value the inventoried, functional property at
  its replacement cost (money saved)
• Value durable goods and consumables at OAC (also
  money saved, but no other reasonable way to
  figure it out

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What might this do for FS FEPP?

• Now
• 10 trucks - OAC totals 200,000
• New
• 10 with replacement value of 120,000 gives me a
  value of

1,200,000
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New Term?

• How about Program Value?

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Great Theory, but how the heck

• FS will probably add a field to FEPMIS to request
  PV for inventoried items
• Subjective
• Still better than OAC
• Will have to be able to pull data by just OAC and
  by OAC/PV combination.
• Worth it?

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You make the Call

• I know what FEPP is worth to me
• Homeowner
• Taxpayer
• Citizen

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• April J. Baily
• abaily_at_fs.fed.us
• 202.205.0891
• Thank you!