Dinosaurs!

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Dinosaurs!

• The majority of this presentation comes from Ken
  Ham, Answers in Genesis.
• www.answersingenesis.org

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PreHistory

• What are some prehistoric animals?
• Tyrannosaurus Rex
• Triceratops
• Apatosaurus (formerly Brontosaurus)
• Diplodocus
• Velociraptor
• Pterodactyl

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PreHistory

• Wrong!

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PreHistory

• Theres no such thing as a prehistoric animal!
• There is no such thing as prehistory!
• History began when it started being recorded, and
  as Christians, we believe it was recorded from
  the beginning. How can there be anything before
  the beginning?

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What does the World say

• Big Bang, Sun, hot molten blob, earth condenses
  out, cools down, water appears, millions of
  years, chemicals turn into living systems, then
  through a long progression, one kind of animal
  changes into another, apes form into people, and
  over millions of years, the history of life gets
  recorded in the fossil record.

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Millions of Years

• BUT
• There is no such thing as millions of years!

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Review

• From the Facts and Fossils lesson
• We all have the same facts and the same science.
• All facts must be interpreted.
• Fossils dont come with date tags.
• Creationists differ from Evolutionists in their
  view of History how we tie the facts together
  into an overall big picture.

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What does the Bible say?

• It is the Word of God, who knows everything about
  everything.
• If it really is the Word of God, well be able to
  build our thinking on it and make sense of the
  world.
• Youre going to see that it does make sense, and
  that it fits with REAL science.
• Its the Bible you can trust.

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What does the Bible say?

• We shouldnt use evidence to try to prove the
  Bible is true, instead
• We should use the Bible as a History book to
  build our thinking to understand the evidence.

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What does the Bible say?

• Sometimes people will say, Dont tell me what
  the Bible says. Give me some evidence of your
  beliefs.
• The problem with such a challenge is that theyre
  asking you to drop your presuppositions.

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What does the Bible say?

• If you remove the Bible from the discussion, you
  no longer have a basis for your history!
• Remember, our beliefs only differ from
  evolutionists in our history.

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What does the Bible say?

• Asking you to remove the Bible from the
  discussion would be like us asking them to remove
  millions of years from the discussion.
• If you remove the Bible, youre removing your
  presuppositions, your history but youre
  letting them keep theirs.
• Your goal is to get them to look at the facts
  through Biblical glasses.

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What does the Bible say?

• Lets use the Bible as our basis to look at the
  facts.

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Where do Dinosaurs Fit?

• How do you fit dinosaurs into the Bible?
• Wrong question.
• You dont take things and fit them into the
  Bible, you use the Bible as history, it will make
  sense, and the facts will fit.
• Since the Bible is real history it will make
  sense of the real world.

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Where do Dinosaurs Fit?

• Lets put on Biblical glasses and look at
  dinosaurs
• When did God create dinosaurs?
• God made everything in six days
• He made land animals on day six
• Therefore, dinosaurs were made on day six

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Where do Dinosaurs Fit?

• But that means dinosaurs lived with people!
• Yes, dinosaurs lived with people.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• But the word Dinosaur is not in the Bible!
• Neither is the word e-mail.
• E-mail is a modern word.
• Dinosaur is a relatively modern word.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• The word dinosaur was invented in 1841 by Sir
  Richard Owen, founder of the British Museum.
• The King James Bible was first translated in
  1611. The version we see today is the 1789
  edition.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• What did people call dinosaurs before 1841?
• Dragons!
• Youve heard of dragon legends. There are dragon
  legends from cultures all over the Earth.
• Ancient history books describe dragons in detail.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• The Anglo Saxon Chronicles describe people living
  with dragons. These descriptions fit closely
  with dinosaurs.
• The Bible (King James Version) refers to Dragons.
  When you replace the word dragon with dinosaur,
  it fits nicely.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• The phrase great whales, often seen in
  scripture, should really be translated dragon
  or sea monster (Genesis 121 and others)
• God created the dragons on the land and in the
  sea.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• Psalm 4419 Thou hast sore broken us in the
  place of dragons.
• Psalm 9113 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and
  adder the young lion and the dragon shalt thou
  trample under feet
• Psalm 1487 Praise the LORD from the earth, ye
  dragons
• Isaiah 1322 and dragons in their pleasant
  places
• Isaiah 271 and he shall slay the dragon that
  is in the sea.
• Isaiah 3413 and it shall be an habitation of
  dragons
• Jeremiah 911 And I will make Jerusalem heaps,
  and a den of dragons
• Jeremiah 146 he hath swallowed me up like a
  dragon
• Ezekiel 293 the great dragon that lieth in the
  midst of his rivers
• Micah 18 I will make a wailing like the
  dragons

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• But those are all from the King James
  translation.
• Two things to consider
• The Hebrew word taninim that the KJ
  translators translated as dragon means great
  monster. To them, a dragon was a great monster.
• The KJ translators viewed the idea of a dragon
  as a non-mythical beast only 400 years ago.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• Its sad that todays modern translators have
  been too timid to use dinosaur in the place of
  dragon where great monster is appropriate.
  Hebrew taninim
• Instead, modern translators limit their choice of
  words to creatures living today, even though the
  Bible is clear, many of these creatures are
  different from ones living today.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• But we didnt discover dinosaurs until the
  1800s!
• No, we didnt re-discover dinosaurs until the
  1800s.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• Leviathan
• the dragon that is in the sea, Job 38 411
  and Psalms 7414 1042 possibly a Mosasaur

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• Leviathan?

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• Flying Serpent
• Isaiah 306 Refers to the fiery flying serpent
  possibly a Pterosaur like the Ramphorynchus?
• Perhaps not, but the prophet certainly was not
  referring to a creature alive today.
  Nevertheless, it was a living creature when
  Isaiah referred to it.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• Behemoth
• The word Behemoth in Job 4015-19 means beast,
  but the form of the word used is a majestic
  plural, and means something more like colossal
  beast.

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Dinosaurs in the Bible?

• The description of Behemoth in Job 4015-19 is
  likely some type of huge Sauropod.

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Dinosaurs

• Most people think all dinosaurs were BIG!
• Some were big, but the average size of dinosaur
  skeletons found across the Earth is the size of a
  sheep. Many were as small as chickens.
• We suspect some of them were big because they
  were old. Many reptiles keep growing after
  reaching the age of maturity.

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Dinosaurs

• Wouldnt it have been terrifying for Adam and
  his descendants to live with dinosaurs?
• All animals were vegetarian in the Garden.
• We dont know at what point some became
  carnivorous, but we know it was after sin.

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Dinosaurs

• What about dinosaurs with sharp teeth? They are
  obviously meat eaters!
• No, they obviously have sharp teeth.
• Many vegetarian animals have sharp teeth.
• Many animals that eat meat have not-so-sharp
  teeth.

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Dinosaurs

• Bears have sharp teeth, but they are mainly
  vegetarian.
• Several types of monkeys have very sharp teeth,
  but are vegetarians.
• Marine Iguanas of the Galapagos are ferocious
  looking, with razor sharp teeth, but do not
  attack other animals and are vegetarian.

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Dinosaurs

• So what happened?
• SIN
• Before sin, everything was very good. Yet there
  is evidence of cancer in dinosaur bones in the
  fossil record.

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Dinosaurs

• None of the fossil record could have existed
  before sin.
• The world degenerated. People were wicked. God
  judged sin and sent the flood.

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Noahs Ark

• What was Noahs Ark?
• A boat?
• NO!
• An Ark!
• A watertight box of safe-keeping. It was never
  intended to sail anyplace only to keep its
  occupants safe.

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Noahs Ark

• How big was it?
• It was
• 450 feet long (300 cubits)
• 75 feet wide (50 cubits)
• 45 feet high (30 cubits)

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Noahs Ark

• How big was it?

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Noahs Ark

• How big was it?

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Dinosaurs

• How could Noah have gone out and found two of
  each animal?
• Noah didnt have to go out and gather animals,
  God brought them to him.
• Only the air-breathing nephesh were on the ark.

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Dinosaurs

• Werent the dinosaurs too big to fit on the
  ark?
• What did we say the average size of a dinosaur
  was?
• Sheep
• Even the largest dinosaur was once hatched out of
  an egg no larger than a football.

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Noahs Ark

• How big was the Ark, again?

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Noahs Ark

• How big was it, again?

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Dinosaurs

• But there are over six-hundred names of
  dinosaurs alone, times two!
• No, no, no, no.
• From two dogs, we get all varieties of dogs.
• Many dinosaur groups were really the same kind
  of animal.
• When you work it through there were probably
  fewer than 50 types of dinosaurs.

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Dinosaurs

• In all, there were probably around 16,000
  individual animals on the ark.
• See Noahs Ark A Feasibility Study
• http//www.rae.org/noah.html

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Bathtub Arks

• When we represent Noahs Ark like this
• We join the world in mocking Gods Word.

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Bathtub Arks

• Were teaching children that Noahs Ark was a
  fairy tale.
• The world scoffs at those who believe in Noahs
  Ark.
• Why?

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Noahs Flood

• Noahs flood was a Judgment of mans wickedness.
• Man hates Noahs flood.

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Noahs Flood

• Man was told he had to go through a doorway to be
  saved.
• Man doesnt want to have to go through a doorway
  to be saved.

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Noahs Flood

• Noahs flood explains the fossil record.
• The world doesnt want a global flood to explain
  the fossil record they want to cling to their
  millions of years.
• An explanation without God

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Bathtub Arks

• Why help the world mock this major event in
  history?

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Bathtub Arks

• When you make an Ark look like an overloaded
  bathtub, kids look it and think, The animals
  couldnt fit on that!

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Bathtub Arks

• But they could fit on this!

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Bathtub Arks

• That overloaded bathtub wouldnt have survived
  the flood!

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Bathtub Arks

• But this one would survive a global flood.

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A picture of Jesus Christ

• The Ark is a picture of Jesus Christ! In Noahs
  day Come through the doorway to be saved!
  Theres a flood coming!

Then, BANG! The door went shut and it was too
late.
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A picture of Jesus Christ

• Just as theres been a flood, another judgment
  is coming.
• This one by fire. How are we to be saved?
• Jesus said, I am the door. By me, if any man
  enter in, he will be saved.

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A picture of Jesus Christ

• As Christians, were telling the world, Come
  through the doorway to be saved!"Theres a
  judgment coming!
• The world says, Ha! Thats not going to happen!

Then one day, BANG! The door is going to shut.
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A picture of Jesus Christ

• Lets not mock that event in history with cute
  little Arks.

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The Flood

• Then the fountains of the deep broke open.
• All the air-breathing animals (nephesh), and all
  mankind who were not on the ark perished.

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The Flood

• What happened to the animals and humans who
  werent on the ark?
• They drowned, many were eaten by sea creatures
  most floated to the top and decayed, but some got
  covered in mud and rock and turned into fossils.

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The Flood

• If there really were a global flood, youd expect
  to find billions of dead things buried in rock
  layers laid down by water all over the earth.
• Do you know what we find?
• Billions of dead things buried in rock layers
  laid down by water all over the earth.

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The Flood

• Some evolutionists ask, Wheres your evidence
  for a global flood? Theres no evidence for a
  global flood! All you find are billions of dead
  things buried in rock layers laid down by water
  all over the earth. I dont see any evidence
  for a global flood!
• Its everywhere!

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The Flood

• Why dont they see it?
• Theyre wearing the wrong glasses.
• When you put on the right glasses, the Biblical
  glasses,
• Its everywhere!
• The world is one big graveyard! The greatest
  memorial ever that God has judged the wickedness
  of man.

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The Flood

• Heres a quote from a Web site with an
  evolutionary perspective
• Sedimentary rocks are born cool at the
  Earth's surface, mostly under water.
• http//geology.about.com/cs/basics_roxmin/a/aa01
  1804b.htm
• There are sedimentary rocks virtually covering
  the earth. Sedimentary rocks are born under
  water, and thats not evidence of a global flood?

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Fossils

• If there was no bloodshed, disease, suffering,
  and death before sin, you cant have fossils of
  animals or man before sin.
• Fossilization is a process that can take anything
  from a few hours to many years. It depends on
  the conditions of mineral content and ground
  water.
• There was a LOT of ground water in Noahs flood.

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Fossils

• On the north slope of Alaska there are many
  thousands of mammoth bones. They are NOT
  fossilized. 65 million years old, and they
  didnt rot?
• Which time frame fits with that? The Biblical
  time frame or millions of years?

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Fossils

• They have found unfossilized T-Rex bones with red
  blood cells in Montana!
• Theres no way red blood cells would have lasted
  65 million years.
• Which time frame fits with that? The Biblical
  time frame or millions of years?

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Fossils

• Evolutionists will take evidence, apply their
  bias, and miss the obvious!
• They may say something like
• Here are the bones of an extinct lizard.
• See how it looks like it came from an animal that
  died only two or three hundred years ago? The
  bones are all dried and chalky?
• Ive seen dinosaur bones that look like they died
  2 or 3 hundred years ago, and I know very well
  the animal died much longer ago than that!

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Fossils

• Instead of seeing the possibility that the
  dinosaur bones werent millions of years old, but
  even possibly only hundreds of years old, the
  evolutionist uses the conviction that all
  dinosaurs are millions of years old to conclude
  that these bones are also millions of years old.
  
• Its most likely, both specimens are only
  hundreds of years old.

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Fossils

• If you cant get someone to take off their
  glasses, they will reinterpret the evidence
  according to what they already believe.
• Remember the Whats missing test? They fill in
  what is missing with what they believe should be
  there.

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Fossils

• Here is a picture of
  driftwood on the north shore of Siberia, where
  trees of this size do not grow.
• Where do they come from?
• As frozen muck continues to thaw, the
  waters wash more and more of what
  was buried there by the
  flood waters and mud to the
  shore.

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Petroglyphs

• Throughout history, people have drawn pictures
  and made cave drawings of animals with which they
  were familiar.
• A Petroglyph of a Pterodactyl in Natural Bridges
  National Monument in Utah.
• They find bones of Pterodactyls nearby.
• Those Indians probably saw those bones flying
  around.

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Petroglyphs

• There may be multiple carvings of recognizable
  creatures on a wall or rock. And yet, if you ask
  the park ranger,

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Petroglyphs

• Whats this?
• Deer.

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Petroglyphs

• This?
• Man.

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Petroglyphs

• This?
• Sheep.

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Petroglyphs

• This?
• We dont know.

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Petroglyphs

• Let me ask you,
• Whats this?
• Mammoth/Mastodon?

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Petroglyphs

• Heres a sauropod petroglyph in Natural Bridges
  National Monument

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Petroglyphs

• Heres a sauropod petroglyph in Natural Bridges
  National Monument

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What happened to the Dinosaurs?

• Well, what happened to the dinosaurs?
• They went extinct!
• Naturalists tell us that animals go extinct every
  day!
• Why should it surprise is that dinosaurs went
  extinct?

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What happened to the Dinosaurs?

• They have also found hundreds of living things
  they thought were extinct.
• However, before the discovery, if you had said
  you believed any of these entities still lived,
  you would have been mocked.

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Dinosaurs Today?

• Some prominent evolutionists have said if it can
  be proven man and dinosaur were contemporary, the
  theory of evolution will be falsified. Richard
  Dawkins, Oxford Steven Stanley, Johns Hopkins
  Earnst Mayer, Harvard Niles Eldridge,
  American Museum of Natural History
• Guess what

http//www.bible.ca/tracks/dino-human-coexistence-
implications.htm
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Dinosaurs Today?

• On a recent expedition into Cameroon (Africa),
  researchers made some surprising discoveries
  about the peoples familiarity with particular
  animals.
• They described

http//www.genesispark.org/genpark/behemoth/behemo
th.htm
Behemoth or Bust an expedition into Cameroon
investigating reports of a Sauropod dinosaur.
Dave Wortzel, TJ (Creation Ex Nihilo Technical
Journal), ISSN 1036-2916, Vol.15(2), 2001, p.62-68
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Dinosaurs Today?

• Embulu-embembe or Mokele-mbembe and
  Likela-bembe
• Neck like a giraffe, legs like an elephant, small
  snake-like head, 30 foot tail

Behemoth or Bust an expedition into Cameroon
investigating reports of a Sauropod dinosaur.
Dave Wortzel, TJ (Creation Ex Nihilo Technical
Journal), ISSN 1036-2916, Vol.15(2), 2001, p.62-68
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Dinosaurs Today?

• Emela-Entouka or Elephant Killer, also called
  Ngoubou
• A dangerous brutish beast with one to four horns
  on its nose and forehead.
• The people identified a triceratops image as
  being this animal.

Behemoth or Bust an expedition into Cameroon
investigating reports of a Sauropod dinosaur.
Dave Wortzel, TJ (Creation Ex Nihilo Technical
Journal), ISSN 1036-2916, Vol.15(2), 2001, p.62-68
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Dinosaurs Today?

• The Baka people of Cameroon,when presented with
  black and white pictures of animals they would
  know, and moving into pictures of animals they
  were not expected to know creatures from
  different parts of the world as well as extinct
  creatures, such as dinosaurs,
• identified sauropod creatures
• and the Triceratops
  as creatures with which they were
  familiar.

Behemoth or Bust an expedition into Cameroon
investigating reports of a Sauropod dinosaur.
Dave Wortzel, TJ (Creation Ex Nihilo Technical
Journal), ISSN 1036-2916, Vol.15(2), 2001, p.62-68
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Dinosaurs Today?

• Other peoples in equatorial Africa also
  identified the Pterodactyl Kongomato as
  familiar.

Behemoth or Bust an expedition into Cameroon
investigating reports of a Sauropod dinosaur.
Dave Wortzel, TJ (Creation Ex Nihilo Technical
Journal), ISSN 1036-2916, Vol.15(2), 2001, p.62-68
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Dinosaurs Today?

• How would they know these creatures in their
  culture if they had not existed with them at
  least in the past if not in the present?
• They have no access to dinosaur digs or
  scientific journals. They have no television or
  even encyclopedias.

Behemoth or Bust an expedition into Cameroon
investigating reports of a Sauropod dinosaur.
Dave Wortzel, TJ (Creation Ex Nihilo Technical
Journal), ISSN 1036-2916, Vol.15(2), 2001, p.62-68
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Dinosaurs Today?

• There is reason to believe that grendel in the
  Scandinavian Epic tale Beowulf was T-Rex.

After the Flood, Bill Cooper, 1995, New Wine
Press, online at http//www.ldolphin.org/cooper/
Available in book form from www.answersInGenesis.
org and www.icr.org
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Dinosaurs Today?

• Its skin was impenetrable to spears and arrows.
  It could eat a warrior in one mouthful.

After the Flood, Bill Cooper, 1995, New Wine
Press, online at http//www.ldolphin.org/cooper/
Available in book form from www.answersInGenesis.
org and www.icr.org
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Dinosaurs Today?

• The hero was able to kill the grendel beasts by
  climbing on their backs and tearing off an arm,
  after which the creature would go back to its
  lair and bleed to death.
• He did this to more than one grendel.

After the Flood, Bill Cooper, 1995, New Wine
Press, online at http//www.ldolphin.org/cooper/
Available in book form from www.answersInGenesis.
org and www.icr.org
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Dinosaurs Today?

• There is also strong reason to believe Beowulf is
  a historical account, not a fictional tale.

After the Flood, Bill Cooper, 1995, New Wine
Press, online at http//www.ldolphin.org/cooper/
Available in book form from www.answersInGenesis.
org and www.icr.org
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The Bible the Truth

• You see, its the Bible that makes sense of the
  world.
• We need to preach the science in our churches as
  well as the theology.
• We need to answer the questions of this age and
  connect the Bible to the real world.