Title: 802 Architecture Group
1802 Architecture Group
- Website
- http//www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/802_architec
ture_group/ - Joining the Email exploder
- http//www.ieee802.org/1/email-pages/joining.html
2Intent
- Improve alignment between WG projects and
existing 802 architecture by - Identifying current problems, omissions,
conflicts, ramifications, and their potential
resolution - Identifying potential refinements or changes to
the architecture - Providing a regular forum in which such
discussion can take place, in a lower pressure
environment than is possible during the core
Plenary cycle.
3Mechanism
- A meeting per Plenary cycle
- Chaired by 802.1 Chair
- Time slot 2-5 PM Sunday prior to Plenary
- Participants Initially, WG Chairs plus one (or
more) architects or technical leads long
term, whoever the Chair determines is
appropriate/willing - Meeting Topic Architectural issues known to each
WG how they might be resolved - First meeting July 2004
4Purpose
- To actually have a recurring discussion on
architectural issues - To improve cross-WG discussion/understanding
- To promote a common view
5Outputs
- Not detail document oriented
- Consensus, frame of mind, consciousness raising
- Maybe slideware if appropriate
- Topics/thoughts for the focus of the next
discussion - Encouragement to WGs to fix identified problems
in appropriate ways - Simple architecture
- Preservation of layering
6Actions
- SEC to formally establish the activity as a SEC
standing committee. - WG Chairs to appoint max 2 nominated participants
per WG - Qualifications for participants Capable of
generating a durable architecture. Capable of
knowing the difference between an architecture, a
product, and a standard. Respected within their
WG as subject matter experts. - Report to SEC on status at each meeting.
7IEEE Architecture Group802.3 Issues13 November
2005
8IEEE 802.3 Issues
- QOS architecture
- Link aggregation
- Ethernet IP interdependence
- Dual homing/resilience/robustness
- Power Management
9QOS architecture (1)
- MAC Service interface
- Commit point when can MAC client change the MA
Data Request? - Clear and consistent definition of where queues
reside for 802.3 above interface but for other
802 below interface. - Acknowledgement of transmission to MAC client?
- Link status higher layers dont know if
transmission will leave DTE.
10QOS architecture (2)
- Clock synchronization
- Residential and industrial Ethernet applications
- May have implications within IEEE 1073
applications (healthcare) - Work on this will probably be moving to.1, but
may need .3 hooks (e.g. service interface or
mgmt) - Rate control
- P802.3ar now has a proposed draft
- 802.1 projects proposed to use that capability
- 802.3s direction here is in process other
groups may want to look at what we are doing and
give feedback.
11QOS architecture (3)
- Congestion management
- Latency and latency jitter
- Data center Ethernet applications
- Residential applications
- Expect this will be moving to 802.1 any open
802.3 issues will come under the MAC service
interface item
12Link aggregation
- Layering
- It is an 802.3 sublayer but it has to go above
802.1x - 802.1 current plan on media converters
- Media converters will be transparent to link ag
i.e. a physical link with a media converter in it
can be aggregated. - Issue no way for management above link ag to
address management frames to a media converter in
an aggregated link - Do we need additional capabilities such as
ability to co-operate to keep both directions of
a flow on the same link? Decision not at this
time. closed
13Miscellaneous
- Ethernet IP interdependence - closed
- Ethernet is used with protocols other than IP
- Mostly just an issue of awareness, not
architecture - Dual homing/resilience/robustness - closed
- Low priority
- Link Aggregation and Fast Spanning Tree help
- Conclusion not currently an 802.3 issue based on
802.1 projects
14New item Power Management
- Something new since we created the original 802
issues list - Multifaceted challenge
- Cooling components and systems
- Effects on data center equipment density
- Total cost of operation because of energy
consumption - Energy policy and environmental impact
- Tutorial topic in July
- Some possible work for 802.3 proposed
- Not just a problem for 802.3 though
- Has architectural implications related to some
previous listed issues (e.g., link availability)
15Layers of power management
- Not 802 Architecture
- Device efficiency
- Active chip power management
- Power management within the system
- 802 Architecture issues
- Power management of the network
- Power management via the network
16PC energy use
- Consumption is driven by on-time, not by usage
- To be on the network, PCs must be on
- Energy Star is now targeting network connectivity
in sleep mode - Classes of power consumption
17Current energy star
- Use an inactivity timer to power down
- Power down monitor, disks, and eventually the
entire system - Sleep (Windows standby) and hibernate
- Resume where left-off on detection of activity
- Mouse wiggle or key stroke to wake-up
- Possible networking additions
- Adaptable speed
- Protocol enhancements
18Network based alternatives
- Wake-on-LAN
- Directed packet
- Link speed change
- Proxies
19Wake-on-LAN
- A special (non-standard) MAC frame
- Repeat MAC address 16 times in data field
- Common in 802.3 NICs
- Also in some 802.11 NICs
- Assumes limited mobility of device
- Applications and protocols do not support WOL
- Cant route to target device when timeout causes
discard of ARP cache entry - TCP connection starts with a SYN
20Directed packet wake-up
- Recognition of interesting packets
- Programmable packet filtering
- Wake-on-LAN
- IP protocol packets
- Limitations
- Wakes up on junk
- Doesnt always wake-up when desired
- Needs to be managed/configured
- No concept of state
21Link speed power relationship
- 10/100 Mb/s use small number of gates, 1G/10G use
significantly more gates at high speed - Example NICs
- No link 135 mW
- 10BASE-T 150 mW
- 1000BASE-T 1.1 W
- 10GBASE-T 13 W
- Break Ethernet link and reestablishes at
different speed though autonegotiation
22Network connectivity trends
- More PCs left active
- Network protocols not designed power effects
- Network applications assume always on
- Permanent connections are becoming more common
- Sleep is not a network state, but a device state
- No way to know sleep state of remote device
- Limited non-guaranteed wake-up capability
23Options for continued evaluation
- Network aware system sleep states
- Uses of proxies
- More reliable wake-up
- Network becomes part of system power management
- Power management as a network function
- Bridge/switch would play an increased role
- Reduce latency of link speed change
- Probably a WG problem
24802.11 was allocated issues by the other WGs
- The allocated issues are unclear to some 802.11
members - Additional slides are attached that reflect the
ongoing discussion that has occurred over the
last four months via email and at the previous
interim meeting held in May 2005 as compiled from
802.11-05/0407r2. The slides are an attempt to
represent comments without specific author
endorsement. As such the authors of this document
to do necessarily share these views. This forum
and this document was designed to facilitate
discussion.
- Other group allocated 802.11 some issues
- Bridging compatibility
- Security
- QoS/class of service
- Protocol definition vs scope
- LLC
- Mesh
- What is the future .11 architecture
- Power/channel management
- Added Additional issues or comments
25Do we need a standard bridge table updating
mechanism
- What is the situation?
- STA roaming to a new AP is a normal part of
802.11 operation - Ideally, it should be achieved without disruption
to QoS on the STA - This requires frames destined to the STA to be
redirected to the new AP - What is the problem?
- A network using 802.1D bridges, will not update
the forwarding tables until a frame is sent in
the opposite direction
- What should we do about it?
- We need a standard method for updating the bridge
forwarding tables when a STA roams that will take
effect within the sort of timescales needed to
maintain QoS (5 to 30ms) - Mike Moreton believes, properly designed network
should be capable of updating its own forwarding
tables without help from external devices.
26Mike Moreton asks whether we need a standard
bridge table updating mechanism
- This issue was documented in a recent liaison to
802.1 (05/0185r2) - It is under consideration already?
- 802.11F represents an effort to solve this
problem - There is contention about whether 802.11F will
survive
- A more general architectural concept of updating
location may be needed - 802.1D is not the only way to construct a DS
27We need to explore the Bridging compatibility
architecture issue
- ? Is this issue related to forward and backward
compatibility between 48 b address versus 64 b
address? - ----------
- The Bridging compatibility handling of
multicasts issue was allocated to 802.11 - It is not clear what the issue is?
- ? Is this issue related to multicasts with
security enabled?
- Questions
- What is the issue?
- Is this an architecture issue?
- Is it relevant to 802.11?
- What should be done?
28Mike Moreton asks whether 802.1X needs to be
modified to reflect realities of broadcast media
- What is the situation?
- 802.1X was designed for situations where there
was one end station per port - What is the problem?
- 802.11i can have multiple end-stations per port
because its a broadcast medium - 802.11i overcomes the problem using virtual ports
by having each STA's data encrypted with a
different pair-wise key - and you thought that was to stop eavesdropping
- See last part of 04/1191r5
- However, there are still some aspects of 802.1X
that are limited to the physical port - eg authenticating through one port (we're talking
an AP working on different channels here)
shouldn't allow you to send data via a different
port, because the keys may well not have been
programmed in on that port. - What should we do about it?
- 802.1 need to have some reflection in 802.1X of
how it works with broadcast media where traffic
is segmented by separate keys.
29Mike Moreton asks whether 802.1X needs to be
modified to reflect realities of broadcast media
- This issue was documented in a recent liaison to
802.1 (05/0185r2) - Is it under consideration already?
- It was noted that 802.1X does not recognise or
take advantage of the fact that STAs often move
from port to port - Does the port a mobile STA moves to need to be
blocked or can it be pre-unblocked? - Can an STA have multiple virtual ports open at
once
30We need to explore the security architecture
issue
- Background
- The security issue was allocated to 802.11
- It is not clear what the issue is relative to
802.11?
- Questions
- What is the issue?
- Is this an architecture issue?
- Is it relevant to 802.11?
- What should be done?
31Some have said Time is an important dimension in
wireless networks but not wired networks
- Wireless networks are very dynamic
- nasty thin network
- STAs move often and by choice
- Network conditions change rapidly and massively
- Interference
- Contention
- Connections in wireless are analog
- ie 0-100
- Network performance tends to vary significantly
over time - eg delay, jitter, loss etc
- 802 is traditionally based on static concepts
- big fat ugly pipe
- Wired networks were originally based on
completely static nodes - Over time slow portability of network connections
was taken into account, eg STP - Connections are mostly binary
- ie simply up or down
- Network performance is more predictable
32Dynamic Wireless networks have particular needs
that need to be recognised by the 802 architecture
- Wireless networks need more than just link
up/down to enable sensible operation - We need an in-between status that changes often
- Wireless networks may increasingly use soft
handover and need an appropriate infrastructure
to support it - This leads to the possibility of two connections
to a STA are active at one time
- Network management needs to recognise that
applications are sometimes in a better position
to optimally use the network - eg Skype does not need a management application
providing constant QoS - In some applications, it does not matter that 90
of packets are lost
33We need to explore the QoS/class of service
architecture issue
- One option was that we carefully map QoS from
802.11 to 802.x - However, it was noted that the QoS capability
changes rapidly and massively in wireless
networks - This might lead to the conclusion that any effort
to define a formal QoS mapping is a waste of time
- Maybe the best approach is to allow people to
independently do what they think is best at the
time a one size fits all approach may not make
sense or be possible
34We need to explore the QoS/class of service
architecture issue
- Background
- The QoS/class of service issue was allocated to
802.11 - It has been interpreted to mean, How do you map
QoS between different networks?
- Questions
- Is the issue interpretation correct and complete?
- Is this an architecture issue?
- Is it relevant to 802.11?
- What should be done?
35We need to explore the Protocol definition vs
scope architecture issue
- It was not clear what the issue was
- Some hypothesised that this issue resulted from
some thinking that 802.11 has defined features
above L2 too often in the past
- When is it appropriate for 802.11 to define L2
features? - When the features are unique to 802.11?
- When 802.1 will not undertake the definition
task? - When non-802.11 (eg IETF) technologies are
involved?
36We need to explore the LLC architecture issue
- Background
- The LLC issue was allocated to 802.11
- The issue has been interpreted as meaning
- The LLC provides no mechanism for passing
additional parameters - This means that it is difficult to up set up a
QoS connection across multiple radio links
- Questions
- What is the issue?
- Is this an architecture issue?
- Is it relevant to 802.11?
- What should be done?
37We need to explore the MESH architecture issue
- Background
- The MESH issue was allocated to 802.11
- The issue has been interpreted as meaning
- The ongoing 802.11s task groups discussion
regarding modifying discovery, spanning tree and
routing/bridging should be happening elsewhere.
- Questions
- What is the issue?
- Is this an architecture issue?
- Is it relevant to 802.11?
- What should be done?
38We need to explore the Signal Power/ Channel
Management architecture issue
- Background
- 802.11k is addressing common measurement some
misunderstood or confused management with
measurement - 802.11v is considering this effort to be within
its scope - What is the problem
- Multiple working groups are presently or have
already defined this issue using different
definitions, semantics and formulas only for
themselves
- Questions
- What is the issue for 802.11?
- Is this an architecture issue for 802?
- What should 802.11 do?
39Are there any additional issues or comments?
- Some people would like a common language and
dictionary to talk about wireless networks
but others want something not too detailed - Should 802.11 undertake network discovery (eg
TGu, TGs) or should there be a more common
approach across 802? - Maybe we need to create a focused wireless
architecture group because wired is so
different? - Maybe this effort belongs under co-existence?
- Maybe we need to change the 802 architecture
moving this work away from 802.1 and to a
wireless TAG that would allow each participant
to maintain their membership in their respective
primary working group? - Maybe we need a wireless task group inside
802.1? - A group inside 802.1 may divide wireless
expertise drawing it away from the wireless groups
40Dot15 802 Architecture Group Update
NOTE Changes made as a result of 13-Mar-05 802
Architecture Group meeting are in BLUE
- Tom Siep
- Cambridge Silicon Radio
- 802.15 Liaison to 802 Architecture Committee
41Prioritized issues 802.15
Management Issues
- Issues
- LLC acts as a block to passing additional
(e.g., QoS) parameters - QoS
- (Signal) Power/channel management
- 64bit to 48 bit address mapping for bridging (new
topic) - Smaller than 100 octets allowed for minimum
packet size - Bridging compatibility handling of multicasts,
no clause 6 section for .1D - Non-Issues
- Are PANs different from WLANs?
- Security
- Mesh (work TBD)
- Architectural consistency across three MACs
Not architectural issues
Not addressed at Sunday meeting
42Other Groups Affected
- LLC acts as a block ? 802.1 and 802.2
- QoS ? 802.1 and 802.2
- (Signal) Power/channel management ? 802.1 and
802.2 - 64bit to 48 bit address mapping for bridging ?
802.1 and 802.2 - Smaller than 100 octet packets ? 802.1 and 802.2
- Bridging compatibility internal problem being
worked
43Work to be done by 802.15
- Form plans to solve issues
- Determine feasibility of plans
- Study proposal to use IETF model for QoS will
it work for .15 TGs? - Characterize management function needs
- Cant do bridging 64 to 48 bit addresses are we
OK with this?
44LLC acts as a block to passing additional
(e.g., QoS) parameters
- All 3 MAC need LLC support to requests to
create/modify/terminate streams based on QoS
parameters - Data needs to be able to be associated with a
stream at the MAC SAP - QoS changes need to be communicated to the higher
layers - Need to be able to inquire QoS characteristics of
remote nodes
45Backup Slides
46Known issues 802.15 (as presented at Sunday
meeting in San Antonio)
- Are PANs different from WLANs?
- We hope the answer is No (wrt the MAC service)
- Security
- What functionality is needed
- Who does what aspect
- Bridging compatibility handling of multicasts,
no clause 6 section for .1D - LLC acts as a block to passing additional
(e.g., QoS) parameters - Mesh (not the same as the .11 issue though)
- QoS
- Architectural consistency across three MACs
- (Signal) Power/channel management
47QoS
- Block asynchronous data
- Need block size to plan and allocate resources
48(Signal) Power/channel management
- Need a way to pass (up and down) information that
is important to wireless, for example - Transmit power
- Regulatory domain
- Signal quality
- Coexistence information
- Other
- Must be extensible
49Bridging compatibility handling of multicasts,
no clause 6 section for .1D
- Compatibility with .1D
- 15.1a Bridging is handled in BNEP, which maps
to Ethernet. - 15.3 Annex A (normative) specifies
compatibility - 15.4 Annex A (normative) specifies
compatibility - Multicasts
- 15.1a does not do multicast
- 15.3 Had multicast, being revised in current
work - 15.4 Had broadcast, being revised to include
multicast in current work
50Known issues 802.16
- Security
- has to roll its own EAP transport as .1X/AF
- is above the LLC
- No PKI model in .1X/AF
- MBS breaks security model
- Should schedule a joint meeting with 802.1
- QoS
- See .21
- Bridging compatibility handling of multicasts,
no clause 6 section for .1D - . MTU discovery
- Look at 802.1AD LLDP?
51Known issues 802.17
- Frame size
- Not dissimilar problem to dot-3 will take their
lead - CoS/QoS
- Look at intsrv/diffsrv
- Security
- We have layering issues.
52Known issues 802.20
- Needs to support handoff not clear how to deal
with L2 handoff in current architecture - QoS
- No standard way to pass upper layer QoS
requirements through to MAC level QoS parameters - LLC acts as a block
- Relation to IntSrv/DifSrv mechanisms
- Security
- has to roll its own EAP transport as .1X/AF
- is above the LLC
- No PKI model in .1X/AF
- Compatibility between 802.20 frame and LLC frame
53.21 Action items from 3/2005
- Groups that have QOS on list to look at IETF
intsrv/difsrv documents identify specific
things that would allow their MAC to better
support these services - Groups that have listed security issues to detail
specific questions/issues regarding security - Tutorial on service interface vs API (was this
Tonys action?)
54.21 QoS Intserv Diffserv
- .21 not specifying a MAC directly
- Working with Intserv model
- Seems to be main model IETF industry is
following - New work in NSIS though
- Several abstractions / categories in 802
- Grouping of traffic into a link
- Identifying SDUs by
- Connections
- Priorities
- VLAN
- Traffic class
55.21 Security Issues
- Currently most security issues out of scope for
.21 - Having multiple associations at once (MBB)
- Otherwise need fast (re) establishment of SA
- Authentication mechanisms different mechanisms
across 802 - Enabling handover policy to consider security
attributes of potential network attachment points
56802.21 issues in priority
- QoS mapping across heterogeneous interfaces
- Authentication mechanisms different mechanisms
in different technologies - Security how do you re-establish the security
context during/after transition - Service discovery
- Neighborhood service differs per technology
- Power/channel management
57Known issues 802.22
- Goal to avoid all of the above
58Known issues Broadband over Power lines
(external project)
- Will this be Bridgeable or will it only be
routable (to 802 technologies)? - In order for the technology to be Bridgeable,
then they should participate in this architecture
group - Make liaison with 802 a requirement of the PAR
- They should address coexistence (with other
technologies) - Entity balloting would tend to disenfranchise a
significant body of technical expertise from the
balloting process. LMSC join as an entity?
59Action items
- Groups that have QOS on list to look at IETF
intsrv/difsrv documents identify specific
things that would allow their MAC to better
support these services - Need some work done on this. WG representatives
to identify people interested in studying this
area of work feeding back to the group. - If there is no movement on this by next meeting
we will drop the item from the action list. - Groups that have listed security issues to detail
specific questions/issues regarding security - Tutorial on service interface vs API
- Tony, Mick do something for next meeting
60Agenda for next meeting,Sunday Mar 5 2006, 2-5pm
- Continue (.1, then) refinement and
prioritisation of current issues list based on WG
input (homework items from previous slide) - Report back from Wireless Architecture
Sub-Group - Tutorial on service interface vs API
- Report back on issues that are currently being
addressed - Proposals for resolution of high priority issues
that are not currently being addressed