Title: TCB Survey
1TCB Survey
Art Wall awall_at_atlanticbb.net
2Overview
- Introduction
- List of questions
- Information about TCB program
- Manufacturer pressure?
- Acceptability of laboratory test data?
- Quality, integrity and consistency of data?
- Improvements to the program?
- Elements to included in Code of Practice?
- TCB issues (domestic and foreign)?
- Summary and questions
3Introduction
- Contracted by TCBC to develop a Code of Practice
for TCBs (TCB Code) - First step was to interview most, if not, all
TCBs - Interviewed 25 of 27 TCBs, 2 Mfrs 2 DAs
- Asked a series of 11 plus questions
- The following is a summary of answers to those
questions (confidentiality maintained) - Only a few real surprises, but interesting
nonetheless on how TCBs perceive their part of
the TCB program
4List of Questions (shortened version)
- What are the highlights and attributes of your
TCB? - Is the TCB program is working well? Is there room
for improvement? - Have manufacturers placed undue pressure on TCB?
- Have lab reports been acceptable?
- Can the quality of test reports and be improved?
- What steps should be taken to improve consistency
and quality of the TCB program? - Are there specific suggestions for improving the
consistency of grants? - What can the FCC do to improve the TCB program?
- Is there a integrity issue with some TCBs and can
the TCBC help? - What elements should be included in the TCB
Code? - Is there a difference in performance or other
issues between US and non-US TCBs?
5Information about the TCB program
- Most TCBs
- Are a small business (or a small part of a larger
business) - Have a quality system with many variations
- Use the internet for operations
- found a niche of products or clients for business
model - Some TCBs use approvals to support testing (for
others approval is its main business) - Most TCBs have 2 or more reviewers certifiers
which for some TCBs are interchangeable - Some TCBs have distributed operations using more
than location for testing and approvals - A few TCBs cite quality and service as their
stated purpose while others are willing to live
with a low error rate
6Information about the TCB program (continued)
- Several TCBs state that reputation is most
important for their operation - Several TCBs perform an internal audit on an
annual basis one even paid for external auditor
to ensure quality the same TCB mentioned that
every meeting deals with quality - Several TCBs have clients sign detailed
agreements giving expectations, etc. - Several mentioned that they have training for
their clients, who for the most part are labs
representing manufacturers - Several TCBs have detailed tracking system for
handling complaints complete with steps for
correcting mistakes - A number of TCBs advertise 7 days for processing
applications whereas, others state approval
within 2 days
7Information about the TCB program (continued)
- Several European US TCBs state that the
majority of devices they approve come from Asia - The manufacturers mentioned that they
- have a number of divisions with multiple plants
and locations - use a number of TCBs, but there is some attempt
to consolidate TCBs used - accredited lab acts as they agent
- need to watch TCB and lab closely
- One manufacturer stated that it took him 2 days
to review a test report it had a number of
mistakes
8Information about the TCB program (continued)
- All TCBs and both manufacturers state that
- The TCB program works well (several state the
program exceeds expectations) - The program opened up the certification process
and greatly increases the speed of service - One TCB remarked that the FCC and TCBC have done
a remarkable job of organizing and maintaining
the program considering the resources - The TCB Council, TCBC training, monthly phone
calls were cited as being extremely beneficial - Improvements would include
- Release of more products
- More enforcement and oversight
- Peer review
9Information about the TCB program (continued)
- Problem areas
- Timeliness and quality of answers from FCC
- FCC takes too long for unique interpretations
- Several TCBs are more inclined to push envelope
make decision without FCC - One TCB doesnt believe the program will last
(not a growth business) - Several TCBs state the program is headed
off-shore - KDB is helpful, but needs to be strengthen
- Sample audit program, since testing is not
fundable and the process leads to minimum review
10Information about the TCB program (continued)
- Areas for improvement
- One European TCB would like to see better
dissemination organization of the FCC Rules,
interpretation and policies - Standardize checklists, complete with
interpretations - Better guidance for market surveillance
- FCC should educate manufacturers and stick to the
TCB program - An exclusion list tailored to the abilities of
the TCB - The SAR program is confusing, at best
- The FCC should date all policies and statements
11Information about the TCB program (continued)
- Manufacturer concerns
- TCB evaluators are not necessarily competent or
knowledgeable of the FCC Rules - Consistency and quality of approvals
- Some TCBs are interpreting the Rules, when
question should go to the FCC - There is a need for consistency and exchange of
information - TCBs operate in its own self-interest and dont
share information (confirmed by some TCBs)
12Manufacturer pressure
- Many TCBs report very little pressure from
clients (mfrs or labs representing mfrs) - This may not be true with TCBs dealing with Asian
labs as their primary customers - Asian labs go to TCBs who provide the best price,
speed of service and ask the fewest questions - Several TCBs report losing clients to other TCBs
who apparently are not asking questions - Asian clients are trying to manipulate the
process - Competition is severe and there is no vender
loyalty - Applications used to take two weeks to review
whereas, today clients are demanding same or 2
day service.
13Manufacturer pressure (continued)
- One TCB reported that Asian Labs are competent
have good report formats competitive and look
for least resistance to obtain approval - Asian manufacturers are demanding fast service,
cheap prices and no questions quality is not
important - TCBs who insist on quality report losing clients
one TCB reported that the client came back when
it got into trouble - Several TCBs report losing clients to another TCB
for the answer they wanted this is less of an
issue for TCBs with an establish or known list of
labs - One TCB reported a forged report
- One TCB reported that 2-3 clients per year have
threaten to go elsewhere, if application is
scrutinized
14Manufacturer pressure (continued)
- One TCB remarked that its own labs have threaten
to go another TCB who does not ask questions - Application procedures, according to one TCB, are
being cut due to competitive pressure leading to
lack of adequate review - One TCB suggested developing a marketing brochure
to educate clients to include - Code of conduct for clients
- Reasonable time frame for approval
- General rules for engaging a TCB
- General information about the program
- Expectations and limitation of a TCB
15Quality of test reports
- TCBs dealing with known labs say the labs are
knowledgeable - Several TCBs mentioned that most labs are
competent, but some are sloppy and inconsistent
tending to repeat the same errors - Only in a few instances has a TCB questioned the
integrity of a lab - Labs also do not want to provide a sample and
have gone elsewhere as a result - A number of TCBs reported that documentation for
test procedures need to be improvedsome labs
have problems understanding the test procedures,
rules and policies
16Quality of test reports (continued)
- Several TCBs mentioned that labs find the FCC
Rules, policies and test procedures are
overwhelming and difficult to understand they
want better documentation and a guide for minimum
requirements for testing each device - Some TCBs would support an effort to document
test procedures. - Several TCBs stated that they provide training to
their Labs once a year
17Quality of test reports (continued)
- Those TCBs that train and work with labs have
less problems - One European TCB recommends that each TCB be
responsible for helping test labs to ensure
quality - Several TCBs recommended the TCBC work to improve
documentation of test procedures - Several TCBs suggested that
- Test report should be standardized
- There should be a standard format and checklist
for applications e.g., EN300-328 EN 301-893 - One TCB suggested using the reporting format in
17025
18Quality of test reports (continued)
- One manufacturer stated that some labs are good,
but the test results need to be reviewed
carefully - The other manufacturer said that some labs are
not competent for specific tests and dont know
how to perform the test. - Information from the manufacturer is not
transferred to the TCB for review - According to the manufacturers, tests performed
are not representative of actual operation - Manufacturers suggest the following questions to
each applicant - Are the tests performed typical of actual
operation? - Has the manufacturer reviewed and concur with the
report? - Manufacturers believe that labs need additional
guidance and training
19Steps to improve TCB program?
- One TCB suggested defining minimum criteria or
check list for each equipment type - Several TCBs suggested developing a system
measuring TCB performance or at least system
for providing feedback on a regular basis and
publicizing the results - Several TCBs and manufacturers want a standardize
checklist complete with interpretations and
procedures - Manufacturers want TCB consistency and suggested
round-robin applications with known problems - One TCB wanted the exclusion list to be more
understandable - Additional training and guidance in the
application of grant notes would be helpful
20Steps to improve TCB program? (continued)
- Most TCBs manufacturers believe equipment
categories and grant notes are confusing and
inconsistent standardization of grant notes
would improve consistency especially for RF
safety - Several TCBs remarked the information on the
grant (equipment category, frequency of operation
and grant notes) should be standardized - One TCB suggested a 3rd party (not FCC) review
grants - Manufacturers recommended that the type of device
(portable or mobile) be placed on grant - Many TCBs state that the FCC should manage the
process and do more audits and enforcement
several state there is no consequence for poor
performance manufacturers want more training
for the labs and additional enforcement
21Steps to improve TCB program? (continued)
- FCC actions requested by one or more TCBs
- Additional guidelines for completing applications
- More training for modular devices
- Be more responsive to inquiries
- Improve KDB, particularly the search function
- More information should be in rules and less
reliance on KDB - Publish guidelines
- Increase enforcement and audit oversight
- Make rules and interpretations more consistent
- Make FCC EAP webpage easier to follow
- Establish a team (gov. and non-gov.) to discuss
new technology issues - Make TCB performance information available on
line - Eliminate 5 day grace-period for downloading
exhibitions (done) - Provide dummy website (already available)
22Steps to improve TCB program? (continued)
- FCC actions requested by one or more TCBs
(continued) - Develop examination for evaluators
- Document and improve test procedures, including
inter-modulation testing - Develop examination for evaluators
- Reduce, update or eliminate exclusion list
- Develop yardstick so TCBs can compare
- Provide better documentation (standards and
policy statements in a known location) policy
statements should not be left in presentations - FCC presentations should be updated (since many
are now confusing, especially RFI exposure) - Publish set-asides and complaints
- Provide mechanism for tracking antenna changes
and grant note changes when there are permissive
changes
23TCB integrity issues and TCBC?
- Many TCBs are not aware of real abuse of the
program other stated that there is abuse
dismissals are an indication of abuse - Factors affecting consistency, according to one
European TCB - Price
- Speed
- Financial pressure
- Test lab and manufacturer pressure
- Complexity of the Rules
- Many TCBs do not believe the TCBC cannot police
TCBs that job should be left to the FCC one
TCB stated that manufacturers should provide peer
review one TCB mentioned that the TCBC should
develop and recommend the use of guidance notes
for use by all TCBs
24TCB integrity issues and TCBC? (continued)
- A few TCBs believe TCBC involvement is
questionable and will promote mediocrity - Several TCBs agree that the TCBC should be
proactive roll, as it is doing, in providing
opportunities for training, cooperation support
with FCC and promoting the code of practice - One TCB wants the TCBC to work with the TCB after
it gets into trouble with the FCC - One TCB wants a TCBC round-table to interpret the
Rules without the FCC - Several TCBs recommended quality management
training with suggesting for resolving problem
audits - Several TCBs argued that the TCBC is proactive
and doing a great job
25Input to TCB Code?
- Most TCBs are unclear how the Code would be
implemented a number of TCBs stated the it
should be incorporated into the TCB program - One or more TCBs mentioned the following for the
Code - Specific elements of Guide 65 (ethics,
impartiality, transparency organization
structure) - Mission statement (vision of public good)
- Internal audits
- Training
- Seeking FCC guidance when necessary
- Timeliness in uploading exhibitions (done)
26Input to TCB Code? (continued)
- One or TCBs mentioned the following for the
Code (continued) - Publishing price list with conditions for
reduction - Process for handling undue manufacturer pressure
- A well defined process to follow
- A guidance document for reviewing applications
- Surveillance testing guidance
- Quality statement about fixing problems
- Minimum application review time (e.g., 5 days)
- Consequences for poor performers
- Approve only devices for which TCB and Lab has
competence - FCC guidance of relationship with clients
- Teeth in the Code it should be
self-regulating - Independence from clients and test labs
27TCB issues (foreign domestic)?
- A number of TCBs mentioned that they now believe
there is no difference between domestic and
European TCBs - A few TCBs believe there is a difference in the
requirement and evaluations of European TCBs
one US TCB believes there are some integrity
issues with some foreign TCBs - One European DA stated that they give assessments
every 3 years with annual surveillance audits
he also stated there is no difference between
EN45011 and Guide 65, but there is a big
difference in the interpretation documents - Manufacturers believe there is a difference with
foreign TCBs in their understanding of the Rules
and experience with the US system - One European TCB believes there is a perception
that the FCC scrutinizes foreign TCBs more than
domestic TCBs
28TCB issues (foreign domestic)? (continued)
- Most TCBs dealing with Asian labs are very
concerned with prospect of Asian TCBs. - One TCB reported there is a communication and
cultural barriers with overseas labs, especially
Asian labs - A number of TCBs expressed a concern with the MRA
process, especially with the Asian economies due
to the perceived lack of control and enforcement
29TCB issues (foreign domestic)? (continued)
- Several TCBs requested more TCBC meetings on the
West Coast European TCBs requested TCBC
meetings in Europe - Two TCBs questioned the competency of some
auditors implying that more training and
guidance may be needed - Another TCB suggested that domestic and foreign
accreditors should talk with one another to
develop a more consistent process - One TCB mentioned that auditors should assess the
TCB, but keep their opinions to themselves
several TCBs stated that more qualified auditors
are needed and the assessment should emphasize
technical, as well as, quality issues - Also, there should be a better process for
monitoring evaluators and certifiers
30Summary (My impression and comments)
- While no real surprises for me in talking with
TCBs and manufacturers, it was interesting to
learn how TCBs operate and how they perceive
their role in the FCC equipment approval program - Most TCBs want the program to succeed and are
willing to take whatever steps are necessary to
ensure a consistent well run program, as long as
all TCBs play by the same rules - A key element and current weakness of the program
is the competency of test labs additional
training and documenting the test procedures
would be extremely helpful TCBs should also
work with Labs to improve consistency of test
results - The FCC and all TCBs should take appropriate step
to ensure that clients do not manipulate the
system a TCB who fails to provide an adequate
or consistent review of an application should be
penalized - There are also a number TCB recommendations that
the FCC and accreditors may want to take into
consideration to help the TCBs - The TCB Code was formulated considering all the
comments in this survey
31Thank You
- Art Wall
- Radio Regulatory Consultants, Inc.
- awall_at_atlanticbb.net